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(06-09-2015, 02:36 PM)Natalie Mcbeef Wrote:(06-09-2015, 02:32 PM)shotgunbadger Wrote:(06-09-2015, 02:11 PM)Natalie Mcbeef Wrote:(06-09-2015, 02:06 PM)shotgunbadger Wrote: I don't think anyone is saying this is some game ruining problem but yea, as a dude just coming back who's last storyline progress was getting a chocobo and who's highest class is currently like 20 and it's not even the class I want to be, it's a little annoying that a major part of the game experience is gonna be totally locked out, especially considering I think those jobs are really cool. Like yea I'm not gonna be miserable just going with black mage through the story, but I wish I at least had access to the options. It's not the worst thing ever done in an MMO, but it's an annoying and frankly really outdated MMO philosophy to have, the old 'expansion packs are just for people who are done with the game right now' train of thought is really not an awesome one.
Again, this 'Outdated MMO philosophy' is currently the only subscription MMO besides WoW that's making money.
I think people are just used to F2P MMOs, which don't care how long you stay. They want you to show up, blow 50 bux in the cash shop, then come back in a few months to try out the next new gimmick.
I'd argue that profitable has nothing to do with outdated or not. I don't deny FFXIV is successful, I love that it's successful because I love this game, but we are rapidly approaching a time where MMOs are going to have to do some real deep looks at what is and isn't a good way to keep players, and I just can't imagine 'make expansions that have absolutely nothing for people under the level cap and then some thanks to ilevel being the gate' is going to stick around.
I think lots of other MMOs have done what you say and they've all been forced to go Free to Play.
Do you have a counter example of a subscription MMO that has done the things you suggest and been successful?
I could name a dozen or more who have done thing things you've said and gone f2p.
I would enjoy if you could bring even one statistic or piece of evidence forward that supports your view besides blind conjecture and anecdote. There are lots of other MMOs that do what you say, so why not just enjoy those instead of saying this one should change?
Well ok now we're just gonna insult eachother because even though I said over and over I like this game and think this one thing is a poor choice, I clearly am unhappy with the entire game. That's a cool and adult way to talk about things, you are an awesome person.
Most MMOs that go f2p go long before their first expansions, can YOU point to an MMO that was going along just fine, released an expansion that...I don't know apparently you're butthurt because I don't like the classes all being level cap only so I guess 'added a class that you can make at creation' is the proper analogy for other MMOs? And then after that expansion suddenly their numbers fell like rocks for reasons and they had to go F2P? Please, name one of the dozen you have on file because I can't think of one.
And no for the record I won't be leaving FFXIV, as I said in I think all my other posts in this thread, I really like this game despite this one annoyance. Ya know, because you can like and enjoy something despite thinking one thing it does isn't great.