(11-25-2015, 07:43 PM)Edgar Wrote:(11-25-2015, 06:30 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:Sylentmana Wrote: Irrelevant to the meaning behind my post. People are being killed because neither side is capable of seeing each other as humans. People are being killed when they should not be. That's all I care about.
I think it's a bit silky to assume you know that these people don't "recognize" each other as humans. People recognize each other as humans and kill each other in close personal ways all the time. I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with Turkey or Russia failing to recognize their mutual humanity, and everything to do with Russia wanting to be the big guy on the street and Turkey being pissed that Russia has been bombing ethnic Turks on the border between Syria and Turkey.
Of course, I could be totally wrong.
When, in the history of conflict, have we ever lent ourselves to treating our foes like human beings? We treated them like targets ready to pump full of bullets.
It's not "silky" of anyone to assume this, because if you look in your history books, or hell, do a quick search on google, you'll see that dehumanization and military conflicts go hand in hand.
You need to see some of this shit. WWII alone has enough embedded prejudice to support my argument a thousand times over.
Thanks for trying to educate ne, but I'm quite familiar with history, thanks.
I feel like you're missing my point, so I'll just try to get it across again.
People do terrible things to other human beings in a close and personal manner every day all over the world. It is not that they haven't intellectually understood that the guy they're roasting to death (thanks, Daesh!) isn't a human being. It's that they don't care. Or they feel justified. Or they want money or power more than they care for the life of another human being.
And, again, Turkey didn't shoot down a Russian jet because they didn't think of Russian people as actual...you know...people. They shot it down because it violated their airspace. They warned Russia in advance multiple times. They warned the specific aircraft itself multiple times, and told them they would respond in force.
Russia didn't ignore these warnings because they somehow forgot the Turks are human beings. They ignored the warnings because they thought they could get away with it (anyone who's dealt with a toddler will recognize this behavior).
This time, they didn't get away with it. It's truly tragic thst the pilot died, but he WAS warned.
Now let's hope this doesn't escalate because if Russia attacks Turkey, we're genuinely fucked.
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