The reason of the why, we don't know. I'm not even sure that Hearers themselves get to know precisely why someone gets denied access while another one gets accepted. It is true that it seems to point that to a certain degree Elementals can make a difference between individuals themselves. This is also confirmed by the fact that a greenwrath can be directed at one or a few individuals that pissed off the forest.Â
Problem is though, that if you do that enough you eventually put Elementals in such a frenzy that they start doing really bad things all around, as can be seen in the CNJ/WhM quest as well as the MSQ. And then it suddenly starts to concern everyone and targets everyone without much care.
Why are Coeurlclaws accepted by the Elementals? Well, for once, I think that all of them are initially Gridanian citizens, so they don't come from outside like those mighans. They are directly part of the Pact of Gelmorra by birth.Â
Your question is interesting though in that I always wondered how all those Keepers of the Moon got into the Shroud initially. What did they do exactly not to be targeted by the Elementals as soon as they crossed the Hedgetrees? Since well, they were not exactly part of Gridania/Gelmorra and had nothing to do with it.
As for city states tolerating some beast tribes like the Sylph, yes, definitely. City states are not obtuse to the point of killing them all indiscriminately. The thing is though, that we can see that some like the Sahagin, Amajila and the likes, have clans that are not outwardly hostile. We also learn that some of those actually fight for their own survival, like the Sahagin.Â
We also see in the MSQ that Y'shtola accues Merlwyb and Limsa to have actually perpetuated that genocide against the beast tribes to grab more lands and get rid pragmatically of a threat. She especially tells her that it's not going to be a solution in the long run. Merlwyb just answers that she does what she has to do to defend her people. So yeah, she did stuff that could have been seen outrightly evil, and yet, it was for her people. And if you are not convinced, then just look at the Garleans. They want to get rid of all beast tribes so that they get rid of the primal threat in the first place. Is that evil? Arguably by our standards I can admit, but I would argue also that their reasons are not.Â
Unlike you know. Ascians that just want to see the world burn.
Some qiqirns are allowed into Limsa, or even Ul'dah, but they soon got for example banned out of Ul'dah because they were competing with local merchants. Again, that's an example of scale of grey in my opinion. Of course, you can arguably put some of them lower or higher on the scale of evil vs right, like you would any character between righteous and evil in any tabletop. But I don't subscribe to painting people and factions in broad strokes of black and white, because that's not what is presented by the story.Â
Garleans started it all? Sure. They got into Silvertears Falls and battled Midgardsomr until the Agrius exploded and liberated so much aether from that point (Silverfall being the bridge between aetheral place and the real one), that primals suddenly became a reality. Did they intend to do that though? I don't think so. They weren't even expecting to fight Dravanians here.Â
Okay, I won't go into details on Thordan since you have not done that part yet. But keep in mind that he is probably the best example of what I'm trying to say. People like Xande might have been rotten to the core initially so that they were easy to corrupt for Ascians, Thordan however, is a whole different story. Or even Gaius. Was Gaius for a total genocide of all the beast tribes when they started summoning primals all around? Sure. Was Gaius opposed to project Meteor lead by his own people? Sure too.
Problem is though, that if you do that enough you eventually put Elementals in such a frenzy that they start doing really bad things all around, as can be seen in the CNJ/WhM quest as well as the MSQ. And then it suddenly starts to concern everyone and targets everyone without much care.
Why are Coeurlclaws accepted by the Elementals? Well, for once, I think that all of them are initially Gridanian citizens, so they don't come from outside like those mighans. They are directly part of the Pact of Gelmorra by birth.Â
Your question is interesting though in that I always wondered how all those Keepers of the Moon got into the Shroud initially. What did they do exactly not to be targeted by the Elementals as soon as they crossed the Hedgetrees? Since well, they were not exactly part of Gridania/Gelmorra and had nothing to do with it.
As for city states tolerating some beast tribes like the Sylph, yes, definitely. City states are not obtuse to the point of killing them all indiscriminately. The thing is though, that we can see that some like the Sahagin, Amajila and the likes, have clans that are not outwardly hostile. We also learn that some of those actually fight for their own survival, like the Sahagin.Â
We also see in the MSQ that Y'shtola accues Merlwyb and Limsa to have actually perpetuated that genocide against the beast tribes to grab more lands and get rid pragmatically of a threat. She especially tells her that it's not going to be a solution in the long run. Merlwyb just answers that she does what she has to do to defend her people. So yeah, she did stuff that could have been seen outrightly evil, and yet, it was for her people. And if you are not convinced, then just look at the Garleans. They want to get rid of all beast tribes so that they get rid of the primal threat in the first place. Is that evil? Arguably by our standards I can admit, but I would argue also that their reasons are not.Â
Unlike you know. Ascians that just want to see the world burn.
Some qiqirns are allowed into Limsa, or even Ul'dah, but they soon got for example banned out of Ul'dah because they were competing with local merchants. Again, that's an example of scale of grey in my opinion. Of course, you can arguably put some of them lower or higher on the scale of evil vs right, like you would any character between righteous and evil in any tabletop. But I don't subscribe to painting people and factions in broad strokes of black and white, because that's not what is presented by the story.Â
Garleans started it all? Sure. They got into Silvertears Falls and battled Midgardsomr until the Agrius exploded and liberated so much aether from that point (Silverfall being the bridge between aetheral place and the real one), that primals suddenly became a reality. Did they intend to do that though? I don't think so. They weren't even expecting to fight Dravanians here.Â
Okay, I won't go into details on Thordan since you have not done that part yet. But keep in mind that he is probably the best example of what I'm trying to say. People like Xande might have been rotten to the core initially so that they were easy to corrupt for Ascians, Thordan however, is a whole different story. Or even Gaius. Was Gaius for a total genocide of all the beast tribes when they started summoning primals all around? Sure. Was Gaius opposed to project Meteor lead by his own people? Sure too.
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