Sure, it could be ambiguous. I still would love to have Sounssy's opinion on the matter and what they wrote though. There might be more behind those two quotes.
I'm assuming nothing. I actually said that kind of Hearer was going to be crafty about it if they wanted to get away with it... Odds stacked in their favor or not. You seem only to base yourself on the widespread prejudices around them in the commonfolk, especially geared toward the Autumn Wars, but the people they would have to convinced or be cautious of is not the commonfolk that will just follow whatever they say out of reverence.Â
It's the damn Padjals. As I said, it would be a bit disingenuous to think that padjals can't see through a crooked Hearer, especially after some time of abuses and exploits.
Again, padjals. I'm not saying padjals don't necessarily have prejudices. I'm saying they would probably get mad at anyone even trying to lie their way out of what they Hear about the Elementals will.
Well, I think that's a logical fallacy to assume that the few instances of Hearers we see ingame (that's what? One? Two of them?) necessarily equates to all of them always acting alone and being alone. That was my point.
I don't see why like any other entity holding any power they would not you know, speak to each other, debate and discuss their plans, and especially discuss about what they Heared to compare their interpretations and all.
It's possible yeah. It's also possible they had many others races we don't see ingame.
In any case yeah, just to say that for all those point I guess we can't have a true answer... At least until we get our hands on their lorebook they spoke about :p
LiadansWhisper Wrote:Why are you assuming that the corrupt Hearer in question wouldn't be cunning about it? I wasn't saying they wouldn't have to be cunning, I was merely pointing out that the odds are stacked in favor of the biased Hearer getting away with it - note that the Hearer in Quarrymill is displaying a widely-held prejudice, and this probably helps her get away with what she's doing.
I'm assuming nothing. I actually said that kind of Hearer was going to be crafty about it if they wanted to get away with it... Odds stacked in their favor or not. You seem only to base yourself on the widespread prejudices around them in the commonfolk, especially geared toward the Autumn Wars, but the people they would have to convinced or be cautious of is not the commonfolk that will just follow whatever they say out of reverence.Â
It's the damn Padjals. As I said, it would be a bit disingenuous to think that padjals can't see through a crooked Hearer, especially after some time of abuses and exploits.
LiadansWhispers Wrote:Edited to add: Re: Corrupt Hearers: If everyone around you is super racist, or has reasons to hate whatever nationality you are (in the case of the Ala Mhigans, who are hated because of the Autumn War), and you're lying about the Elementals agreeing with said racism/hatred, then most likely, the racist people around you are going to go along with it. Because it fits their view of the world.
Again, padjals. I'm not saying padjals don't necessarily have prejudices. I'm saying they would probably get mad at anyone even trying to lie their way out of what they Hear about the Elementals will.
LiadansWhisper Wrote:I can't recall a single instance of seeing more than one Hearer outside of the Stillglade Fane itself. Can anyone else? I could be wrong, but every instance of a Hearer appearing that I can recall, they've been by themselves with a contingent of other Conjurers/Wood Wailers. This is probably due to the relative rarity of Hearers - think of how massive the Wood is, and how few, in comparison, Hearers there are. Even counting in the Padjal, they're all likely stretched rather thin.[/font][/color]
Well, I think that's a logical fallacy to assume that the few instances of Hearers we see ingame (that's what? One? Two of them?) necessarily equates to all of them always acting alone and being alone. That was my point.
I don't see why like any other entity holding any power they would not you know, speak to each other, debate and discuss their plans, and especially discuss about what they Heared to compare their interpretations and all.
Quote:Are we even sure the Allag were actually Hyur? I mean, I know they look like Hyur, but so do Pureblood Garleans...and they're not Hyur.
It's possible yeah. It's also possible they had many others races we don't see ingame.
In any case yeah, just to say that for all those point I guess we can't have a true answer... At least until we get our hands on their lorebook they spoke about :p
Balmung:Â Suen Shyu
