DPS that are grabbing for the tank are as infuriating as anything. Even when I would like bigger pulls, as a DPS I will never ever start breaking dungeon basic etiquette and just be outright rude to everyone else. I have already left dungeons when someone pulled that trick on me as a tank.
I want to insist that I wrote above "in experts" for a reason. My vent wasn't much addressed to leveling dungeons (below 60 at least). In leveling dungeons you can have jobs that still don't have access to their AoEs, or just tanks and healers that have mediocre leveling gears, which is to be expected and alright. Leveling dungeons aren't about your full max level toolset.
I still hold to my view for experts though. Or lvl50, lvl60 dungeons as well (lvl50-60 roulette). Most of the tanks in HW used to pull at least 2 packs of mobs at once most of the time. Everyone was doing that, healers were fine, tanks were fine with it. I don't know why suddenly they are all doing baby pulls.Â
The point that healers can't keep the pace is moot in my opinion when they just have to pop a regen or cast a cure once or twice during a baby pull. With two pulls at the same time, nobody will make me believe it requires even 50% of healing uptime from the healer, as bad as they can be. Anyone  spamming cure will just overheal that.
The point that some DPS are more suited to AoEs, is, frankly, bullshit in my opinion. Unlike all tanks suddenly doing the smallest pulls possible in SB, DPS actually using their AoEs in experts are few and far between, and it has been that way since the first umbral calamity or something. I play one of the jobs that has seen its AoE absolutely gutted by SB (MCH), and I'm still pulling big numbers over 3 targets. Any DPS class has the AoE toolset to deal with packs, and not doing so is 1) not optimal, and 2) shitting on the other DPS player that is trying to AoE but can't do it half the time because you are mowing down the mobs one by one.
Tanks running out of CDs when the DPS take too much time killing the packs? I guess yeah, but at the same time some of the mobs are probably dead and if not, dying. The tank doesn't have to pop ALL the CDs at the start of a pull anyway. You don't do it for a boss, so why would you on pulls?
Honestly, I have seen a few runs where everyone was AoEing properly and big pulls just melt in a matter of seconds.
Ah, maybe some DPS jobs that run out of TP very fast? Generally not fast enough that the pull isn't dead by then, but sometime they have to use invigorate yeah. Who wouldn't take that as a crossrole anyway? And I'm a MCH. I refuse to believe they have TP issues because I'm spamming Tactician all the time, either for myself, or most generally for others. like DRG, SAM, when they actually try to AoE.
No, there is just that myth in the heads of players that some DPS jobs are shit at AoE, which is bullshit. Some are better than others yes, but all of them are good at it. Yes, even tanks and healers, and even PLD now. And some of the DPS jobs that are the least played with their AoEs are DRG, MNK, SAM and Nin most of the time. How silly is that? Besides SMN, they probably of the best AoE potency, even if on a shorter bursts.
I want to insist that I wrote above "in experts" for a reason. My vent wasn't much addressed to leveling dungeons (below 60 at least). In leveling dungeons you can have jobs that still don't have access to their AoEs, or just tanks and healers that have mediocre leveling gears, which is to be expected and alright. Leveling dungeons aren't about your full max level toolset.
I still hold to my view for experts though. Or lvl50, lvl60 dungeons as well (lvl50-60 roulette). Most of the tanks in HW used to pull at least 2 packs of mobs at once most of the time. Everyone was doing that, healers were fine, tanks were fine with it. I don't know why suddenly they are all doing baby pulls.Â
The point that healers can't keep the pace is moot in my opinion when they just have to pop a regen or cast a cure once or twice during a baby pull. With two pulls at the same time, nobody will make me believe it requires even 50% of healing uptime from the healer, as bad as they can be. Anyone  spamming cure will just overheal that.
The point that some DPS are more suited to AoEs, is, frankly, bullshit in my opinion. Unlike all tanks suddenly doing the smallest pulls possible in SB, DPS actually using their AoEs in experts are few and far between, and it has been that way since the first umbral calamity or something. I play one of the jobs that has seen its AoE absolutely gutted by SB (MCH), and I'm still pulling big numbers over 3 targets. Any DPS class has the AoE toolset to deal with packs, and not doing so is 1) not optimal, and 2) shitting on the other DPS player that is trying to AoE but can't do it half the time because you are mowing down the mobs one by one.
Tanks running out of CDs when the DPS take too much time killing the packs? I guess yeah, but at the same time some of the mobs are probably dead and if not, dying. The tank doesn't have to pop ALL the CDs at the start of a pull anyway. You don't do it for a boss, so why would you on pulls?
Honestly, I have seen a few runs where everyone was AoEing properly and big pulls just melt in a matter of seconds.
Ah, maybe some DPS jobs that run out of TP very fast? Generally not fast enough that the pull isn't dead by then, but sometime they have to use invigorate yeah. Who wouldn't take that as a crossrole anyway? And I'm a MCH. I refuse to believe they have TP issues because I'm spamming Tactician all the time, either for myself, or most generally for others. like DRG, SAM, when they actually try to AoE.
No, there is just that myth in the heads of players that some DPS jobs are shit at AoE, which is bullshit. Some are better than others yes, but all of them are good at it. Yes, even tanks and healers, and even PLD now. And some of the DPS jobs that are the least played with their AoEs are DRG, MNK, SAM and Nin most of the time. How silly is that? Besides SMN, they probably of the best AoE potency, even if on a shorter bursts.
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