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See, this is why Uther is cool in my book and I understand Uther, even though I've grown a bit more philosophical about Comics and media and just accepting.
Well, again, I understand about human nature and all that, but what is the harm starting a "Superman" thread or a general basic thread of comic debate. Come on! We can get multiple topics on this forum about that stuff and hey, maybe they'll even make a sub-section just for comics? Wouldn't that be great?
Well, look at my post for an example. Bea asked about Superman and several people chimed in. I also responded. She asked, I gave her my perspective.
Now, I didn't convince her, but she seems to grasp there is "something" there, it ain't just for her. That's cool, we move on.
Personally, I am more about short things. Heck, maybe I want to ask about why people like Squirrel Girl and have to wade through pages of a Superman debate to find out the replies. I am not against debate, I do it too, I just sorta like to attempt to try and keep things in place. I guess an example would be my take on RP OOC/IC talk: I prefer to hear IC, but if it is late and people start talking about the new episode for Defiance or whatnot, I let them! People do that.
Maybe I let Superman lead me too much. If there is a "debate", let's go to the debate room and others can follow. I mean, I know you and I and even Shcuk can go for pages about it, but it's gonna overcrowd, IMO, the original thread. Again, simple mosue-click to check in, read and if they like it, they can give their two cents and a cup of coffee. Heck, didn't Superman not fight in Metropolis but chose the Moon when he fought Manchester Black and crew in "the Elite"? To me, that's classy. You don't impose things on others.
That also may color my personal life: I've had to deal with impositions by others and I generally let it happen, but sometimes, I just don't want to. Maybe I want to keep reading about people's favorites in that thread and not stray too far. Again, difference of opinion, but we are talking just one thread here that could evolve into more threads here...but now you want to just keep it in one thread???
Again, I should state that I felt it is Shuck that over-reacted...maybe you too, but it's just simply starting a new thread to continue the discussion and others can follow if they are interested. Maybe a bit too neat, but again, I am more accepting of other people's decisions. I like to hear them. I may even debate, but IMO, I see so many critics on the internet and not enough "enablers". I know this is not what you are doing, but you will have people who just don't want to debate for whatever reason. Maybe sooner or later, they will learn, but they will have to come to that realization on their own.
There are people I know that will not watch a black-and white program (another example) I am curious about that and find out, but I'll say my piece and move on. Others may tend to hound on the person. I go by a "light touch" in such matters, or attempt to.
Some folks just can be more gracious in their opening statements is all, I try to be. I fail at times, but I try.
And again, I don't disagree with any debate/conversation, I just want to feel free to debate without worrying I might be bothering some readers and they may be bothered not because of any one thing, but several things....long posts, not enough posters on-topic..anything actually.
This is not about silencing anyone, it is just moving something to its own topic. And like I said, that could create more topics to read.
Uther Wrote:First off, I'd like to say that it was a reasonable debate. I took no offense to anything said, and like Shuck pointed out earlier, we continued the conversation in skype for hours afterward. Also, if it became a "Superman debate thread" and we started picking apart things point by point, I'd be ecstatic! I love super hero debates! I never expect anyone to agree with me on these types of conversations, and I love hearing the points of view that other, equally read comic book fans have. The beauty of the comic book art form is that it's so vastly open to interpretation, which is obviously outstanding fuel for discussion.
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"This may not stop at one character, but turn into a debate about others as well"? That's the most exciting news I've heard all day! How is an endless debate about the likes and dislikes of comic book heroes possibly seen as a bad thing for any comic book fan? I went through a debate similar to this for four hours on Skype yesterday (as mentioned earlier) and I loved it. I was almost late for work because of it. Why is it such a terrible thing to want to add like-minded fans into our conversation? I really did not get the feeling of "O-boy-O-boy! I can't wait to win converts to my side even though I should respect people have different perspectives!" I got the feeling of "O-boy-O-boy! I can't wait to discuss my opinions with people who are actually educated on this subject!"
Well, again, I understand about human nature and all that, but what is the harm starting a "Superman" thread or a general basic thread of comic debate. Come on! We can get multiple topics on this forum about that stuff and hey, maybe they'll even make a sub-section just for comics? Wouldn't that be great?
Uther Wrote:Hold on... "and why they like it (without someone tearing down their position as to WHY they like their particular hero)." ....What?
You think everyone should be free to put up why they like their hero but no one should be allowed to ask why they like their hero? What's the point then? And how does this make any kind of sense?
Well, look at my post for an example. Bea asked about Superman and several people chimed in. I also responded. She asked, I gave her my perspective.
Now, I didn't convince her, but she seems to grasp there is "something" there, it ain't just for her. That's cool, we move on.
Personally, I am more about short things. Heck, maybe I want to ask about why people like Squirrel Girl and have to wade through pages of a Superman debate to find out the replies. I am not against debate, I do it too, I just sorta like to attempt to try and keep things in place. I guess an example would be my take on RP OOC/IC talk: I prefer to hear IC, but if it is late and people start talking about the new episode for Defiance or whatnot, I let them! People do that.
Maybe I let Superman lead me too much. If there is a "debate", let's go to the debate room and others can follow. I mean, I know you and I and even Shcuk can go for pages about it, but it's gonna overcrowd, IMO, the original thread. Again, simple mosue-click to check in, read and if they like it, they can give their two cents and a cup of coffee. Heck, didn't Superman not fight in Metropolis but chose the Moon when he fought Manchester Black and crew in "the Elite"? To me, that's classy. You don't impose things on others.
That also may color my personal life: I've had to deal with impositions by others and I generally let it happen, but sometimes, I just don't want to. Maybe I want to keep reading about people's favorites in that thread and not stray too far. Again, difference of opinion, but we are talking just one thread here that could evolve into more threads here...but now you want to just keep it in one thread???
Again, I should state that I felt it is Shuck that over-reacted...maybe you too, but it's just simply starting a new thread to continue the discussion and others can follow if they are interested. Maybe a bit too neat, but again, I am more accepting of other people's decisions. I like to hear them. I may even debate, but IMO, I see so many critics on the internet and not enough "enablers". I know this is not what you are doing, but you will have people who just don't want to debate for whatever reason. Maybe sooner or later, they will learn, but they will have to come to that realization on their own.
There are people I know that will not watch a black-and white program (another example) I am curious about that and find out, but I'll say my piece and move on. Others may tend to hound on the person. I go by a "light touch" in such matters, or attempt to.
Some folks just can be more gracious in their opening statements is all, I try to be. I fail at times, but I try.
And again, I don't disagree with any debate/conversation, I just want to feel free to debate without worrying I might be bothering some readers and they may be bothered not because of any one thing, but several things....long posts, not enough posters on-topic..anything actually.
This is not about silencing anyone, it is just moving something to its own topic. And like I said, that could create more topics to read.