(08-29-2013, 06:46 AM)C Wrote:(08-29-2013, 06:14 AM)Mr.Bear Wrote: I suppose I wasn't completely clear. I agree completely that females are loyal to the tribe, but there is another loyalty beside that. I'd imagine while females might find a Nuhn suitable, it would be better if that Nuhn did more than just that one "duty" as it were. I mean't "loyalty" in that regard, aka relationships of further respect and care. Family.
Ah! In this case, I agree then,.
(08-29-2013, 06:14 AM)Mr.Bear Wrote: "I think it is the females who defend and take care of the males." this is wrong. They are both strong in their own regard but it is not so that males are in need of protection like that. Perhaps it is more true of the moon tribe, as sun females tend to regard those males as rather weak.
This is interesting. Can I ask for where it is stated that the Seeker females view the Keeper males as much weaker? I remember this being mentioned before, but I don't remember where or by whom.
(08-29-2013, 06:14 AM)Mr.Bear Wrote: A female cannot sire with more than one Nunh either, that goes against traditions. The naming can be explained as Nunh can be cast down by Tia at any point in their lives. at that point the females would or might go for that Nunh or another they think more accepable. (as always the choice lies with them. The Nunh must make themselves a attractive and strong choice if they want any females)
Where does it say that the female cannot sire with more than one Nuhn? That is information I've never run across.
(08-29-2013, 06:14 AM)Mr.Bear Wrote: That all said and done, I heard that in general there are more females born than males. That might explain why these traditions exist and why you might think females do more in the protection area. They likely do join on most if not all things male do (like hunting) but I don't think, not with the sun tribe atleast, that males are in particular need of protection. It's just a tribe thing to protect all, the males do the same. especially the Nunh I imagine as it is their duty to assure offspring and good offspring.
Here as well is information I've never come across. I'm sorry for my scepticism, but I am someone who prefers to view from the source. If true, this is intriguing enough to alter my perspective on the Seekers to accommodate for the information, but I'd need to see it stated from Square directly. If it's not too much trouble, could you cite sources for me please? I'd very much like to read!
I've read these somewhere (I don't pluck them out of my head for the most part) while looking up Miqo'te and how to RP them. Unfortunately I can't find the sources. On that note though I would like your sources for your speculations too then. I know i've read that the keeper tribes tend to be more..matriarchal in leadership atleast. This is not the case for sun ones as far as I know, unless you can prove me different somehow.
I also know i've read somewhere the Sun females tend to value strength in males though, that and the info of how Nunh can generally hold 10 to 50 females each would suggest alongside their territorial behaviour that siring other Nunh is more than a bit disallowed. They are very much described as alpha males except that they don't tend to be leaders as well. It just wouldn't make sense for a Nunh to handle more than a certain amount of females, hence why there are no other Nunh if the tribe is small enough, it would bring conflict. Just as there would be conflict when a female of one Nunh suddenly and randomly decides to go mate with another Nunh, which really doesn't make sense to me to do so.
It is highly destructive to tribe unity to allow such practises, it would go against what the Nunh does first and foremost in that he risks his life by challenging another Nunh to become one, it's not respectfull. But mostly it would breed these conflicts between Nunh that should simply not be and even females would not want to harm the tribe (let alone their family that they might have sired from one Nunh) you should not mistake this for them being the property of a Nunh, but I do think they bind themselves to a Nunh once they have chosen one and indeed mated/accepted eachother. They'll absolutely drop him if he becomes dishonorable and he's not the only Nunh, ofcourse, but in that case it is justified. That Nunh has proven himself to be selfish, weak, and destructive to the tribe, which is their greater loyalty. (unless he is -really- influential but that is another matter. then you are digging into the deeper problems that can tear a tribe apart)
On that point, it would make simple sense that the males of the tribe are quite the warriors themselves. To have such rituals of strength and to assume titles like that. Unless you can point out a clear source yourself that this is quite not true for the sun tribes we'll just have different views on this I think. I did look into that bit about there being more females, that was wrong of me. What -is- true is that there are more females that have moved into eorzian society because they are generally less closed and solitary. But there are still not many (though I imagine a lot of people would RP tribeless Miqo'te anyway, which is fine by me)
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Miqo%27te/Naming this is the cloest I came to a source of sorts. It mentions more than other places
