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RE: Nobility in RP |
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10-12-2013, 10:03 PM
(This post was last modified: 10-12-2013, 10:08 PM by Twinflame.)
(10-12-2013, 07:40 PM)SessionZero Wrote: I think it's also important to denote that "nobility" is sometimes used as an all-encompassing term. Whether or not that is correct is semantic and not worth arguing. But the point is that many characters who claim nobility are simply from very wealthy families. For instance, Llaine's family is not technically, by law, noble. They're just ridiculously wealthy and influential, comparable to nobility.

I'm going to respectfully disagree with that. "Nobility" is not an all-encompassing term; it's a word with very specific meanings. It implies a great deal about society and a character's place in it. Someone who is simply wealthy, but claims themselves to be nobility, is like a sellsword claiming that they are a knight. Or a monk claiming that he is a bishop. It's assigning something to oneself that isn't warranted. It's a lie.

Ishgard is the only city-state with a feudal system and nobility, as far as I know.

Ul'dah has a system that some people might mistake for nobility, but isn't even similar. The hereditary power system of the Sultana is not nobility. Nor is the Syndicate. For one, the Syndicate is a limited number of people (currently six) which no player character can be a part of, and it is determined by influece and wealth, not by hereditary right.

Someone claimed there were nobles in Gridania. I haven't observed this and would request a source on it. If we're talking about Haukke manor, that was not nobility; it was wealth. The concepts are not equitable.

One of the problems with the use of nobility in RP is that most people who RP nobles have no idea what they are doing. The terrible ramifications of this are that they are forcing themselves and those they RP with to make certain assumptions about society which they are both unaware of and unwilling to follow through on. I ran into this issue in TERA RP a lot, because people frequently RP'd nobles despite the fact that nobility was constantly stated to be impossible in lore. I do understand the allure of RPing nobles. I RP'd a noble in WoW for awhile and it was a great deal of fun. In TERA, I RP'd a wealthy merchant who had inherited his wealth and power, but who also mocked those who referred to themselves as Lord and Lady because there was no IC basis for it except for a bloated ego.

What I'm saying is: if you want to RP a rich person, fine. You aren't a noble unless you're Ishgardian until I know otherwise (and I'm open to being shown otherwise), because to assume that nobility exists elsewhere is to assume that an entire society exists around some form of feudal system that grants you authority. Someone RPing someone from Ala Mhigo can say that there has never been nobility in Ala Mhigo, and unless we have lore about that, their RP is just as valid as that of someone who RPs Ala Mhigan nobility. That places your character in a rather precarious place, doesn't it? Are you sure that's wise?

The real kicker, at least to me, is that RPing a nobility-style character does not necessitate nobility, and yet, inexplicably, people always force it. You can easily RP a merchant prince or a something with a loyal base of servants and admirers, without wrapping an entire feudal-flavor aristocracy around your RP. Even if you want to do the lost son/daughter of noble blood trope, you can just make them the missing heir to a wealthy and dwindling merchant family. All of this can come packaged with your character. Why does it need to be nobility? Why do there always have to be nobles of every race in every city of every game? I don't get it!

If your character says they're a noble, they're either Ishgardian, or they're lying.

( This turned into a bit of a rant. Sorry. ^^; )

EDIT: I missed a lot of posts while I was writing this one. So I guess if you're a noble you're either Ishgardian or Gridanian or lying? That's really strange. I guess there's a school of thought for Ul'dah, but I'unno about that. I agree with Naunet that the use of the word's a bit boggling.

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Nobility in RP - by Azureus Scipio - 10-12-2013, 01:27 AM
RE: Nobility in RP - by LandStander - 10-12-2013, 01:42 AM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Azureus Scipio - 10-12-2013, 01:44 AM
RE: Nobility in RP - by LandStander - 10-12-2013, 01:47 AM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Azureus Scipio - 10-12-2013, 02:10 AM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Faye - 10-12-2013, 02:22 AM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Azureus Scipio - 10-12-2013, 02:27 AM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Faye - 10-12-2013, 02:29 AM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Azureus Scipio - 10-12-2013, 02:44 AM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Faye - 10-12-2013, 02:58 AM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Azureus Scipio - 10-12-2013, 03:09 AM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Faye - 10-12-2013, 04:10 AM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Rosekitten - 10-12-2013, 03:21 AM
RE: Nobility in RP - by K'nahli - 10-12-2013, 08:15 AM
RE: Nobility in RP - by SessionZero - 10-12-2013, 02:44 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Natya Rudh - 10-12-2013, 03:24 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by K'nahli - 10-12-2013, 04:33 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Natya Rudh - 10-12-2013, 05:29 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Kyrio Lamansque - 10-12-2013, 05:27 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Faye - 10-12-2013, 05:36 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by FreelanceWizard - 10-12-2013, 06:01 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Azureus Scipio - 10-12-2013, 06:05 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Faye - 10-12-2013, 06:20 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by LiadansWhisper - 10-12-2013, 06:36 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Faye - 10-12-2013, 07:55 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by LiadansWhisper - 10-12-2013, 08:16 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Faye - 10-12-2013, 08:52 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by LiadansWhisper - 10-12-2013, 10:07 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Gharen - 10-12-2013, 06:27 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Erik Mynhier - 10-12-2013, 06:11 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Naunet - 10-12-2013, 06:29 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Natya Rudh - 10-12-2013, 07:25 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by LiadansWhisper - 10-12-2013, 07:30 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Naunet - 10-12-2013, 09:40 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by TheLastCandle - 10-12-2013, 09:52 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Bryn - 11-01-2013, 02:38 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by LiadansWhisper - 11-01-2013, 02:54 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Cato - 10-12-2013, 07:06 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by SessionZero - 10-12-2013, 07:40 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Twinflame - 10-12-2013, 10:03 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Naunet - 10-12-2013, 10:08 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by LiadansWhisper - 10-12-2013, 10:13 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Twinflame - 10-12-2013, 10:16 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by LiadansWhisper - 10-12-2013, 10:18 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Twinflame - 10-12-2013, 10:21 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Naunet - 10-12-2013, 10:22 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by LiadansWhisper - 10-12-2013, 10:28 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by TheLastCandle - 10-12-2013, 07:46 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by TheLastCandle - 10-12-2013, 08:03 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Karaan - 10-12-2013, 08:13 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by K'dath - 10-12-2013, 09:30 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Kylin - 10-12-2013, 09:44 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Naunet - 10-12-2013, 09:50 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by SessionZero - 10-12-2013, 09:54 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Naunet - 10-12-2013, 10:01 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by SessionZero - 10-12-2013, 10:06 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by LiadansWhisper - 10-12-2013, 10:02 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Seohyun - 10-12-2013, 10:14 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Twinflame - 10-12-2013, 10:43 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by LiadansWhisper - 10-12-2013, 10:55 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by SessionZero - 10-12-2013, 11:11 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Twinflame - 10-12-2013, 11:20 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by TheLastCandle - 10-12-2013, 11:34 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by LiadansWhisper - 10-13-2013, 12:08 AM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Erik Mynhier - 10-13-2013, 01:05 AM
RE: Nobility in RP - by K'nahli - 10-13-2013, 02:39 AM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Kismet - 10-13-2013, 06:23 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by LandStander - 10-13-2013, 09:58 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by K'dath - 10-13-2013, 10:31 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Kismet - 10-13-2013, 10:38 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Elkabong419 - 10-14-2013, 09:39 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by K'nahli - 10-30-2013, 12:56 AM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Freemoon - 10-30-2013, 02:55 AM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Faye - 10-29-2013, 09:49 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Brave - 10-29-2013, 11:21 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Olofantur - 10-29-2013, 11:55 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Brave - 10-30-2013, 01:30 AM
RE: Nobility in RP - by LiadansWhisper - 10-30-2013, 04:30 AM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Kismet - 10-30-2013, 03:36 AM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Faye - 10-30-2013, 03:37 AM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Cato - 11-01-2013, 02:14 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Sigyn Shieldbreaker - 11-01-2013, 02:40 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by K'dath - 11-01-2013, 02:51 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Sigyn Shieldbreaker - 11-01-2013, 03:08 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by K'dath - 11-01-2013, 03:50 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Freemoon - 11-01-2013, 04:16 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by K'dath - 11-01-2013, 04:46 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Sigyn Shieldbreaker - 11-01-2013, 07:03 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by E'irawen - 10-30-2013, 09:30 AM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Freemoon - 10-30-2013, 04:54 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Kismet - 10-30-2013, 04:42 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Ildur - 11-01-2013, 02:28 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Kismet - 11-01-2013, 04:04 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Val - 11-01-2013, 06:23 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by LiadansWhisper - 11-01-2013, 06:59 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Val - 11-01-2013, 07:05 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Freemoon - 11-01-2013, 08:48 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Val - 11-01-2013, 08:53 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by K'dath - 11-01-2013, 09:22 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Val - 11-01-2013, 09:29 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by TheLastCandle - 11-01-2013, 09:44 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Caelia - 11-02-2013, 01:53 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by LiadansWhisper - 11-02-2013, 04:19 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by synaesthetic - 11-02-2013, 04:44 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Wonloong - 11-06-2013, 09:52 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by LiadansWhisper - 11-06-2013, 10:24 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Zope - 11-06-2013, 11:18 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Faye - 11-06-2013, 11:57 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Naunet - 11-07-2013, 01:04 AM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Olofantur - 11-12-2013, 11:27 AM
RE: Nobility in RP - by ansemaru - 11-12-2013, 12:51 PM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Seriphyn - 03-01-2014, 12:07 AM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Faye - 03-01-2014, 12:23 AM
RE: Nobility in RP - by TheWizard - 03-01-2014, 02:20 AM
RE: Nobility in RP - by Ildur - 03-01-2014, 03:30 AM
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