(01-04-2014, 12:45 AM)FreelanceWizard Wrote: Sure, they could be being idiots, or perhaps the situation isn't as dire as they're making it out to be, or otherwise some other more responsible Padjal would have interceded (though I haven't gotten far enough into the quest line to see if, indeed, this is a huge impending disaster, or two siblings blowing things out of proportion).
It just comes across as incredibly forced. Â You are dithering around trying to learn enough about White Magic to take part in this ritual, but I couldn't help but wonder...if this ritual is so important, and really needs to be done soon (now, preferably), why don't they just get a fully-trained White Mage to do it? Â I mean, there are other Padjal and apparently most, if not all, are also White Mages.
Quote:I'm curious about this statement that the Elementals are actively monitoring and manipulating the use of White Magic and Conjury. I've heard some mention of that coming from 1.x lore; do we have a citation on that for 2.x?
It's explained in one of the non-cutscene sets of dialogues during the White Mage questline that Conjurers are accessing part of Succor for their powers, and that this access is being restricted directly by the Elementals. Â And if you go and talk to Raya-O-Senna outside of the questline, she will tell you point-blank that Padjal only have their powers of White Magic because of the Elementals. Â "It is from the elementals themselves that we inherited white magic." Â She makes it equally clear that the Elementals are why the magic was lost in the first place - though mortals had forbidden its use, the Elementals didn't trust them to keep their word and so they grew the Shroud specifically to hide the knowledge away from the world (since it came to be in Amdapor).
Quote:Minus such lore, an equally plausible explanation (especially since 2.x makes the point in the MSQ that the elementals of the Shroud are dramatically less powerful than they were before) is that the Padjal, who run the Conjurers guild, just don't teach people the more powerful magics. They're forbidden by practice, not because elementals actively block it. Conjury isn't really controlling elementals, so much as it is calling forth and manipulating external Aether. Could elementals interfere with that? Sure, they could, but the storyline of 2.x (that I've seen) doesn't seem to make them out to be powerful enough to do that in reality. After all, woodsin and greenwrath were largely written out of 2.x.
Greenwrath is still a huge fear in 2.0. Â It's the entire focus of the White Mage questline - they're trying to prevent it from happening, and if they fail it will be invoked.
Quote:Also, from a purely narrative perspective, there's a bit of a problem if you say "no abilities from White Mage can be used ICly," as that largely prevents IC dungeon runs, Primal fights, and the like for anyone using that job.
You're telling me that not being able to use Regen, Holy, Divine Seal, Benediction, and Presence of Mind would completely prevent IC runs? Â Because that's, quite frankly, silly. Â None of those are 100% necessary, they're just nice benefits. Â The bulk of healing that a White Mage does comes from Conjurer abilities, not White Mage abilities. Cure, Cure II, Cure III, Medica, Medica II, Shroud of Saints, Stoneskin, Protect - even Raise is a Conjurer ability, not a White Mage ability. Other important healing abilities don't even come from WHM or Conjurer. Eye for an Eye and Virus are Arcanist and Swiftcast/Surecast are Thaumaturge.
Quote:That presents some problems in RP, IMO, and the easiest solution is to -- as many do with many other jobs -- genericize the main quest or figure out other ways around it. I'll admit I'm not a master of the White Mage job quest lore, but I'm a bit skeptical that the devs specifically wrote out any way for those abilities to show up for more than one character. I'm certainly open to being proven wrong, but then we have to deal with "how do those abilities get to show up in RP" -- as like Ildur, I'm a firm believer of "if you can get it on your sheet, you can have it (within reason and with narrative justification)."
I'll give you this much - in my view, there's a very slim possibility that while A-Towa-Kant was wandering around (remember, he's described as a most unusual and accepting Padjal) Eorzea, that he could have found others he felt were worthy of the gifts of White Magic. Â Even in this case, however, I would still say that there would be a point at which the Elementals would notice this person that isn't Padjal and isn't someone they know using White Magic. Â In my opinion, there would need to be consequences for such a situation.
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