(02-08-2014, 09:13 PM)Ildur Wrote: You seem to think there are many different and plausible ways of making lots of money. But this is not the case. The only FC's I know that managed to buy houses were those selling Primal runs.
Using the market board, which would be go-to option, is an absolute joke thanks to rampant undercutting (which is caused by there not being a tax for listing items) and there not being anything worth crafting (and those items that sell for 200k or more usually eat 90% of that in the process of making them in the first place). A member of my FC, before housing, was crafting and trying to make a profit with it. Then the prices were announced and she just went "welp! That's it for me!" because she wasn't making enough of a difference. And if we gathered a bunch of people and made them craft? That wouldn't be enough either. Raiding earnings are not enough, and mine is a raiding FC. I have literally no idea how Squee expects people to make money beyond endlessly grinding mobs. There are no markets to be filled. And as soon as there's one? Rampant undercutting smashes it to the ground.
You also seem to think that people are refusing to buy houses because they don't want to spend the money. In reality, people don't buy the houses because they don't have the money. I don't know why you'd think they do. They, like me, see no way how you could get anything without transforming the game into a half-time work. Not everyone logs in for 8 hours a day.
This has nothing to do with people not wanting to share and all with people wanting houses and not having the possibility to buy them thanks to the prices being not just out of reach but completely out of sight. Yeah, I know how much money I'll need for an FC house in three months. But how do I get there without compromosing my fun? I certainly can't get there just by playing normally. Because if that was the case, my raiding FC would be at least close to get one. But we aren't. Nobody bothers with it.
Perhaps you've thought that just doing 20 runs of WP in a week while you are farming Mythology actually can earn you from 100k-250k plus selling the Philosophy Mats? That totals up to at least 400k per week. Not only that, just farming up at the Eastern La Noscea is your second choice to farm Apkallu Eggs or even Red Corals through fishing is considerably well profit for many people. Even spirit binding weapons that you receive from dungeons and turning them into materias consider well amount of money. There are always ways to make money even if it may be 100 gil or 10000 gill. Just because one doesn't make 100k-500k gils per item does not mean you can't get the FC house. Also, prices have been going down drastically to be fair for everyone. Going from 320 million to 80 million for large plot as well as 97 million to 22 million is a huge change. It's still a lot for many people like my FC too. But what can you do? And no, farming myths while doing these dungeons shouldn't really compromise anything. You -don't- have to log on 8 hours per day to achieve any of these. I am aware that you probably said that to exaggerate it, but there are many alternatives besides "Selling Primal runs". - and yes Crafting Philo items and selling them means nothing now if it's not HQ anymore. But 25-35k per gear is still actually not bad even if it's normal quality.
(02-08-2014, 09:11 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote: It was not a personal attack. Â Also, aren't you personally attacking anyone who disagrees with you by claiming that they just don't want to "share"?
I want to share.  I want an FC house.  My FC can't afford one.  I've personally sunk several million gil into my FC's house fund to try to get one, but it's not going to happen anytime soon.  What upsets me about what you are saying is that you want to deny other people enjoyment because you cannot get your FC members to invest in an FC house.  I don't want a personal house because I don't want to "share."  I want a personal house because a) I would like personal space that isn't an inn room and b) my FC can't afford a house.
I think you have missed my point. I have not actually said that this involves in my FC. I've seen people post like that as if they just don't care about what they do in the FC but just not contribute at all even outside of funding for FC. I think that's just unsportsman-like attitude.Â
I can get my investment into my FC. Also I only complained about people should not deserve player housing until people can fulfill FC housing fully on 5 wards. Is that wrong? I am pretty sure I can't buy all 5 wards of houses, rather I am speaking for everyone's sake rather than people who want their houses on their own instead of helping the FC out one bit.Â
Just because I complained about "No one helps FC" does not mean it was implied as "My FC does not help me". I don't know where you have got that idea first of all.
