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KHMarie · **09-11-2015, 03:21 PM**

[sub]Serylda has physically injured some, and more or less killed one of her FC mates in one night. I didn't really care that much while it was happening, and nor did she; however afterwards, the consequences IC really reflected to me, and I felt bad about what she had done. She eventually did as well, but it took her some calming down to realize. Personally I am not much of a physical fighter, even when I have to be it does make me feel sad.Â [/sub]

[sub]So yeah I mean, for as much fun as it is in the moment, just like in real life when those consequences come to bite you, that's sorta when the regret comes in.[/sub]

Diskwrite · **09-11-2015, 03:41 PM**

Yeah, sometimes! Ojene may be Lawful Good, but she is also a dick. She has a tendency to steamroll other people. And she's got one hell of a temper. Sometimes this combines in wince-inducing ways.

When it happens, I'll usually make a point to communicate OOC. I'll make some "goddamnit Ojene" sort of comment to let the other players OOC know this is all IC. Just in case.

Melkire · **09-11-2015, 05:31 PM**

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The topic under discussion, as per the original post, is "do you ever feel bad about a decision" with regards to choices and/or decisions made by roleplay characters. Let's try not to stray from that topic so that this thread can remain open.

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Sig · **09-11-2015, 05:35 PM**

This thread is starting to go off the rails. Â I'll try to drag it back on course with a controversial statement:Â

Call me a meta-gamer if you desire, but I really try to make sure that both myself and people I RP with find the roleplay enjoyable. Â As a result, I've intentionally not pursued scenes or taken IC actions that my character could have taken. Â I believe deriving enjoyment from RP trumps 100% character consistency, and I tend to have my character take plausible IC actions that will suit the tastes/expectations of my RP partners.Â

There have been a few occasions, however, where I have performed the actions that I believed would be ICly plausible and OOCly enjoyable, but inadvertently offended others OOCly [[wow, that is hard to describe in a compound sentence]]. Â After such occasions, I've felt pretty bad, especially because I prioritize OOC enjoyment of RP. Â Thankfully, this has been pretty rare, because I've been lucky enough to RP with people who appreciate a wide range of scenes.

Nako Vesh · **09-11-2015, 05:39 PM**

(09-11-2015, 11:55 AM)Ignacius Wrote:
(09-11-2015, 11:08 AM)SaintEaon Wrote: I mean specifically when you do something ICly that's totally in character for your character and you know its going to annoy/anger/disrupt other people ICly? I know for instance my character has a tendency to twist arms and intimidate people's characters into not dealing with other characters with the intention of messing up the other character's plans. And every time I do it I get that smug feeling that I imagine like someone in Game of Thrones might feel knowing they made a problem for a rival, but OOCly sometimes I'm like "Yeah I won, but you know, my character's kind of a bad person sometimes."Â

I mean it hasn't stopped me from doing it almost every time the option comes up to do so. I mean that's how the game's played if you're jockying for power within an FC or with street gangs in Ul'Dah or whatever. Sometimes political rivals need to be undermined and I'm never hesitant to do something to further my character's status as it is his nature to twist arms and extort people for information or whatever he's trying to get. So I'm curious are there any other people that their character does stuff like this, and do you ever feel kinda bad for it?

At various times, my characters have:

-Told a child he was the devil before snapping her neck
-Cut a Chelsea's smile into a man's son while he was gagged, then tightened the gag into the wounds to ply information
-Nailed a woman naked to a table, removed one of her tattoos with a knife and laid it on her face, then threatened to kill her fiancee
-Impaled a man on a spike and gave him a set of weights to hold. Â If he dropped them, we would have killed his son
-Rolled a man feet-first into a wood chipper
-Killed my own character's fiancee after two years of developmental relationship RP
-Set a drug-prevention church mission on fire while everyone slept
-Ripped out a friend's character's throat and stitched it back up with steel wire
-Tore out a man's tongue and cut off his hands to keep him from witnessing
-Skinned a woman alive, stretched out the skin into a shroud, and wrapped the carcass in it
-and more!

If anyone ought to feel bad about character actions, it would probably be me. Â But it's all in the RP. Â You have to play the character.

Whoa. Slow down, Satan.

No, but really, I admire the ability to write like that. I have a seriously hard time being "mean" IC. Hell, I sometimes feel physically ill choosing "evil" options in Bioware games, as stupid as that is. In GW2 I played a truly cruel and paranoid character, but while I found it very interesting, it was emotionally draining for me to continue. I wasn't in tears or anything, but it felt exhausting.

So yes, I often feel a little bad when my characters do something thoughtless or cruel. It's probably just something I need to work on.

Diskwrite · **09-11-2015, 06:21 PM**

(09-11-2015, 05:35 PM)Sig Wrote: This thread is starting to go off the rails. Â I'll try to drag it back on course with a controversial statement:Â

Call me a meta-gamer if you desire, but I really try to make sure that both myself and people I RP with find the roleplay enjoyable. Â As a result, I've intentionally not pursued scenes or taken IC actions that my character could have taken. Â I believe deriving enjoyment from RP trumps 100% character consistency, and I tend to have my character take plausible IC actions that will suit the tastes/expectations of my RP partners.Â

There have been a few occasions, however, where I have performed the actions that I believed would be ICly plausible and OOCly enjoyable, but inadvertently offended others OOCly [[wow, that is hard to describe in a compound sentence]]. Â After such occasions, I've felt pretty bad, especially because I prioritize OOC enjoyment of RP. Â Thankfully, this has been pretty rare, because I've been lucky enough to RP with people who appreciate a wide range of scenes.

To be honest? I'll do this too. Sure, I'm not going to compromise my character and who they are by doing something that doesn't make sense for them. But there have been times where I've deliberately taken- or not taken- the RP in a particular direction for the sake of my RP partners. In these situations, she'll do something that she would, in fact, do, but I gave her the nudge that way on purpose.

It's not something I do often, but it has its moments.

CrimsonMars · **09-11-2015, 06:30 PM**

Sometimes, though its mostly due to dumb decisions I make with my character rather than immortal actions. I'd rather not talk about it.

***Alothia*** · **09-11-2015, 07:53 PM**

(09-11-2015, 06:21 PM)Diskwrite Wrote:
(09-11-2015, 05:35 PM)Sig Wrote: This thread is starting to go off the rails. Â I'll try to drag it back on course with a controversial statement:Â

Call me a meta-gamer if you desire, but I really try to make sure that both myself and people I RP with find the roleplay enjoyable. Â As a result, I've intentionally not pursued scenes or taken IC actions that my character could have taken. Â I believe deriving enjoyment from RP trumps 100% character consistency, and I tend to have my character take plausible IC actions that will suit the tastes/expectations of my RP partners.Â

There have been a few occasions, however, where I have performed the actions that I believed would be ICly plausible and OOCly enjoyable, but inadvertently offended others OOCly [[wow, that is hard to describe in a compound sentence]]. Â After such occasions, I've felt pretty bad, especially because I prioritize OOC enjoyment of RP. Â Thankfully, this has been pretty rare, because I've been lucky enough to RP with people who appreciate a wide range of scenes.

To be honest? I'll do this too. Sure, I'm not going to compromise my character and who they are by doing something that doesn't make sense for them. But there have been times where I've deliberately taken- or not taken- the RP in a particular direction for the sake of my RP partners. In these situations, she'll do something that she would, in fact, do, but I gave her the nudge that way on purpose.

It's not something I do often, but it has its moments.

I'm a firm believer in this. I love this. I know some people hate it, they want everything to be organic...but I like knowing what is going on. I like having the option of backing out of something that makes me uncomfortable...
Not that I won't let something bad happen. I enjoy the good with the bad. I just want to be able to have choice in the matter sometimes.

SaintEaon · **09-11-2015, 08:20 PM**

(09-11-2015, 05:35 PM)Sig Wrote: This thread is starting to go off the rails. Â I'll try to drag it back on course with a controversial statement:Â

Call me a meta-gamer if you desire, but I really try to make sure that both myself and people I RP with find the roleplay enjoyable. Â As a result, I've intentionally not pursued scenes or taken IC actions that my character could have taken. Â I believe deriving enjoyment from RP trumps 100% character consistency, and I tend to have my character take plausible IC actions that will suit the tastes/expectations of my RP partners.Â

There have been a few occasions, however, where I have performed the actions that I believed would be ICly plausible and OOCly enjoyable, but inadvertently offended others OOCly [[wow, that is hard to describe in a compound sentence]]. Â After such occasions, I've felt pretty bad, especially because I prioritize OOC enjoyment of RP. Â Thankfully, this has been pretty rare, because I've been lucky enough to RP with people who appreciate a wide range of scenes.

I don't really know if I'd call that metagaming.

I offered a friend an out the other night because he wasn't comfortable with the turn an RP had taken. He said no, but the offer was still there. I just think that's being a decent person.

Warren Castille · **09-11-2015, 08:42 PM**

Intentionally choosing something your character wouldn't to nudge the RP in a direction you want OOCly is pretty much the definition of metagaming in RP.

SaintEaon · **09-11-2015, 08:46 PM**

(09-11-2015, 08:42 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: Intentionally choosing something your character wouldn't to nudge the RP in a direction you want OOCly is pretty much the definition of metagaming in RP.

I think Metagaming is usually malicious or something that breaks down RP. If you have a player who's not comfortable with something and you choose not to do it, that's being respectful to them, I don't think anyone would consider that metagaming.

Verad · **09-11-2015, 08:55 PM**

The controversial statement, then, is that meta gaming isn't as taboo or as universally negative as RPers tend to treat it.

Roen · **09-11-2015, 11:01 PM**

At any point in time, a character usually has more than a few choices to consider in any given situation. Out of the plausible choices, I often do choose to go down the path where I think it would add to the enjoyment of my RP partners as well as enrich the story.

Then there are also those forks in the road where I know without a doubt what my character would do and I usually do not shy away from that.

I have yet to recall any incidences where I regretted the RP choices that I made... except for one.

At the beginning of No Good Deed, I had no idea where the story would go, only that it would be a clash of ideals between two people. Then as the arc progressed, I began to see a certain recurring foreshadowing. I believe my RP partner was setting it up that way. I still had some hope that it was just one possible end, but not the end that the two would reach.

Then of course, when we got to the end of the story, I saw no other path that Roen would take.

I do not regret the ending, there is a part of me that loves tragedies. But looking back on it, I do regret that Nero died at the end of it. He was a fantastic character, and still with more layers to discover. And Nero and Roen had barely scratched the surface in terms of coming to truly understand each other.

So yeah. While I do not regret the course the story had taken, I do regret that it resulted in a loss of a character that to this day I still would have loved to know more about.

Warren Castille · **09-11-2015, 11:14 PM**

Wikipedia Wrote:Metagaming is any strategy, action or method used in a game which transcends a prescribed ruleset, uses external factors to affect the game, or goes beyond the supposed limits or environment set by the game. Another definition refers to the game universe outside of the game itself.

Intentionally steering RP in a direction satisfactory to the player over the character counts as using external factors to affect a game.

Cliodhna Eoghan · **09-12-2015, 12:19 AM**

(09-11-2015, 02:54 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote: Yes. Â Sometimes I really don't like what my characters do or say, and I often worry that something my character does will make people angry or upset OOC.

bring it lia, i've been itching for her and clio to have a conflict filled rp. Big Grin

far as clio herself when it's an issue, i usually shoot a tell saying she's gonna be a princess pita (pain in the ass) but no hard ooc feels <3

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