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Ashe · **12-06-2015, 06:00 PM**

(12-06-2015, 11:57 AM)Virella Wrote: I'm not sure if Ishgardians would even really go under Wildwood/Duskwight type of thing, seeming they've been there for a thousand years at least in the form as we know it. But that's another question for another day I suppose x_X Guess Ishgardians, some of them, might be the 'purebloods' before the split of DW and WW? /flips table

Wtb loreteam answer on this one : <

How many licks does it take to get the center of SE's convoluted lore of racial traits and offspring science?
The world may never know...

Some Ishgardians do have the Duskwight model...and Dzemael Darkhold is a cave...which may make them Duskwights >>
BUT WE DON'T KNOW.
That's like...a whole other debate.

The RP I used this thread's idea for already happened so it doesn't even matter anymore haha.

Jana · **12-06-2015, 07:03 PM**

Dzemael Darkhold being a cave doesn't mean anything in terms of Duskwight/Wildwood; it's basically a cave that was in a convenient spot to build a fort, not an ancestral home on the same level as Gelmora the the Shroud. I feel fairly certain that at least the 4 noble houses are already all confirmed to be Wildwood, though not 100%. It's not really on topic though.

Ashe · **12-06-2015, 10:54 PM**

(12-06-2015, 07:03 PM)Jana Wrote: Dzemael Darkhold being a cave doesn't mean anything in terms of Duskwight/Wildwood; it's basically a cave that was in a convenient spot to build a fort, not an ancestral home on the same level as Gelmora the the Shroud. I feel fairly certain that at least the 4 noble houses are already all confirmed to be Wildwood, though not 100%. It's not really on topic though.

Except caves are characteristics of Duskwight culture, not Wildwood.Â
They'd have to be able to see in the dark, which wildwood cannot.
But, as I said, that's another debate not related to this thread.

Cailean Lockwood · **12-06-2015, 11:43 PM**

I have a Duskwight. I tried to Fantasia him into a Wildwood, but kept the main look. The only real difference was that his penis had gotten smaller, and I couldn't make it as large as it was while I was a Duskwight. So I changed him back into a Duskwight again.

Now I'm happy. Thanks Fantasia. ^^

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No, but seriously, lore-wise, Duskwights are an offspring clan of Wildwood, right? They used to be all Wildwood... or am I getting this wrong?

The only main physical trait that is different between the two is the skincolours. I think that's it. Kinda like how Dark Elves in Warhammer were once High Elves, but because they live in the cold sunless North (and maybe because they worship a blood god and do dark magic), their skin turned pale and their hair colourless (black or white, mostly).

But they are all coming from the same main race. Hence why skintone is the only trait in the character creation that is mainly physically different between the two.

Yssen · **12-06-2015, 11:58 PM**

More than the Dzemael Darkhold being a cave thing, House Dzemael has been said to be of DW ancestry since 1.0, when we first got DH as a dungeon. The whacky part of the time line comes with the exact timing of when Gelmorra fell and when Ishgard was founded, sorta. We know Ishgard existed when Gelmorra fell because people like Koji-Fox have told us that some DW's went to Ishgard as refugees in the aftermath. The founding legend of Ishgard states that Dzemael was there when Thordan did his thing and the Dragonsong war started 1000 or so years ago. Still, migrating from Gelmorra to "proto-Ishgard" is a thing that cannot be ruled out.Â

As a side note, we know that there was a gap of time between when the DW and WW technically split and the fall of Gelmorra. WW made their deal with the Elementals, Gridania (or proto-Grid) was founded, then Gelmorra was ordered destroyed by will of the Elementals, and the DW scattered to the winds. It gets even more wacky when we add the fact that we have been told small minorities of WW chose not to fall under the yoke of the Elementals and remained in Gelmorra with the DWs. So what exactly are they? DWs by association? It is convoluted, but what we DO know is that the whole WWs and DWs splittin and hating each other stems from the pact with the Elementals and the fall of Gelmorra. Yar.

Valence · **12-07-2015, 05:09 AM**

You know, our ancestors lived in caves and knew how to use fire to light them up a bit...Â

And not just them, humanity in every age. Mining, digging, sheltering... You don't have to see in the dark genetically to set up a stronghold in a cave.

Of coure, if lore says they have a DW legacy, then lore says it..

Sounsyy · **12-07-2015, 10:19 AM**

(12-07-2015, 05:09 AM)Valence Wrote: Of coure, if lore says they have a DW legacy, then lore says it..

Unfortunately, lore doesn't "say" this. It makes hints, but never actually states it. House Dzemael's only known trueborn heir is Ser Grinnaux, who is Wildwood according to his 1.0 dat model. However, Jandelaine and Guillefresne are Duskwight children of a noble House that shares a common ancestry with Dzemael. So it's kinda up in the air.

Vyce · **12-07-2015, 10:42 AM**

I kindof consider Ishgardians a differentÂ breed (we will use breed now)Â than WW and DW. Just like I consider third-eye Garleans a different breed of Hyur than Mid and Highlanders. Ishgardians have a very different culture, and seem to have some mixed traits.

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