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CalebAgron · **02-08-2014, 10:01 PM**

(02-08-2014, 08:39 PM)Aldotsk Wrote:
(02-08-2014, 06:19 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:
(02-08-2014, 05:57 PM)Ildur Wrote: Incidentally: making individual houses more expensive than FC ones makes character housing absolutely irrelevant. Why would you use more money on your own house when you can get the same place for much cheaper and faster with an FC? Why even implement personal housing if the only purpose is for it to make FC houses comparatively better? It's like saying you are going to place a pile of crap next to a trash can so people appreciate the can better. Instead of doing that, why don't you just put the pile of crap inside the trash can? Why the impracticality?

That seems to be what he wants, though. Â He appears to be upset that no one wants to work for an FC house, so they should make player housing more expensive so that people will then want to work on an FC house.

No, because it was originally set by Yoshi-P that he wanted people to buy the FC houses BEFORE we even deserve to receive personal housing. Why should he allow any of you to have a personal housing when you guys don't even limit yourselves to actually fund a bigger house? There are plenty of other FCs who actually contributed because they want to share the house and RP together. If you feel like the FC houses are expensive, there are many other ways to gain money and sell items. Even selling shards/crystals/clusters even gain you money. Whichever works out for you.

and FYI:
I had been paying my own money to fund for my own FC. So please don't jump into conclusions before you make a simplistic accusations unless you are trying to insult me. The house isn't for my own. It is there for others who are in my FC. I just think that personal house is not needed as of right now until 2.6-3.0 because FC houses are still not filled up, like the devs and Yoshi-P said. They had been dropping prices down more and more and if people still refuse to buy them - then that's more delays for players to gain their personal house.

(02-08-2014, 05:52 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote: This doesn't make people want to help you buy an FC house. Â TBH, if I was in your FC and read this, I'd refuse to donate anything at all.

I appreciate your personal attacks, but I don't think that still will change how I see in personal housing comparing to FC housing. I find the mind of people's attitude to be extremely negative and shallow because they don't want to share their houses with people and wants things for their own.Â

Large/Medium plot size for FC house should remain as the largest plot for player housing should be what small plot size FC house is currently if that's the case.

She reminds me of the wow players, the ones that were not happy unless they were the "special snowflake" that had the ultra rare mount and got some sick and twisted pleasure out of being the envy of everyone else. Capitalism at its best comes to mind lol.

I've never understood this mindset, maybe its because I'm a socialist whore! But I could give two shiznits what other people have, I don't feel any need to be a "special snowflake" and if everyone in the game was given a free large house I'd take no issue with this.

And I don't ever see myself investing in a FC house at the rates they are currently at. Even at max reduction 26 mil is just too much period. And -IF- the idea is true that they would base player housing off the success rate of FC housing shows how absolutely out of touch with reality the devs are, because FC housing is doomed from the start to be a failure with the prices they were put up as.

Anyway this is all speculation at this point, until there is an official announcement we don't know how personal housing will pan out. Other then the reassurance given by Yoshi that they WILL be cheaper then FC housing.

Aldotsk · **02-08-2014, 10:10 PM**

(02-08-2014, 10:01 PM)Naunet Wrote: There's a certain MMO where I've got five dimensions (though two can only be active and accessible at any given time). One is a small, simple location that was provided after completing an introductory quest about dimensions. Another I got with rep. Another I got by completing dailies during a world event to collect a certain number of that world event's token currency - no plat spent there at all! Two more were loyalty rewards. There are dozens more, some available with plat, others during world events, and so on. And that's just the base dimension; I can't even begin to describe the sheer magnitude and creative breadth of the items you can place in them and how you can arrange them.

Twin got a dimension recently that looks like this as a base:

Yea... Squee can call me when they've put actual work into their housing system.

Unlocking first smallest plot sounds like Sim City (newest one) except that wasn't really MMO imo. But the way you said does sound a good idea for those who don't want to make gil. But in the end, there will be those who might complain that collecting token gets boring and impossible to do. :/

And that's another result of having fun disappearing. But I remember Yoshi-P did say this during his first time when 2.1 was being announced (for this live chat) - something along the line related to:
"... Only the players who have spent amount of time as they have spent amount of effort deserve the housings and rewards."

In other words, even if it may be dreadful or boring - if you've spent your efforts on saving money/token whatever... you'll pretty much be rewarded. Whether it may be first come first serve or last come, last serve.

(02-08-2014, 10:01 PM)CalebAgron Wrote: She reminds me of the wow players, the ones that were not happy unless they were the "special snowflake" that had the ultra rare mount and got some sick and twisted pleasure out of being the envy of everyone else. Capitalism at its best comes to mind lol.Â

I've never understood this mindset, maybe its because I'm a socialist whore! But I could give two shiznits what other people have, I don't feel any need to be a "special snowflake" and if everyone in the game was given a free large house I'd take no issue with this.

I guess that "She", was directed to me.Â

Though I am a bit confused about this statement.

synaesthetic · **02-09-2014, 03:07 AM**

Square Enix needs to hire me as their conceptual planner, because I could make them all filthy fuckin' rich.

All I'd do is spend my day playing every other profitable MMO on the market, spending the whole time taking notes. Every time I saw a feature that I found awesome, I'd write it down, and then demand that the dev team implement something like that in the next big patch.

People are really silly and fail to remember why World of Warcraft was so wildly successful.

It was not because Blizzard caught lightning in a bottle. It was not because the celestial alignment was perfect for the first time in 200,000 years. It was not even because Blizzard's rabid fanbase provided critical mass (Square's rabid fanbase is even bigger!) and put them in the position to be the top MMO dog.

No.

The reason that World of Warcraft was so wildly successful and made Blizzard an absolutely insane amount of money is simple:

They looked at all the other major MMOs on the market, played them, read their forums, talked to their players, found all of the really great features, and used them. They found all the bits that the players didn'tÂ like, and discarded them.

Why do no MMO devs do this? Why did only Blizzard think this far through? Why is every other MMO developer simply derping their way through it and making all of the exact same mistakes every other MMO developer has made?

Learn from the mistakes of your peers, damn it. Stop repeating them.

Naunet · **02-09-2014, 04:03 AM**

Preach it.

Illira · **02-09-2014, 04:09 AM**

CalebAgron · **02-09-2014, 04:34 AM**

AMEN!

Asgarn · **02-09-2014, 06:21 AM**

Not getting involved, but... Really digging yourself a hole here, Aldotsk.

Just to maintain my neutrality, I give you the infamously homophobic state of Russia's military doing perhaps the gayest thing I have ever seen. *Mandatory "For teh lulz"*

[youtube]P08B_lBUL0E[/youtube]

Steel Wolf · **02-09-2014, 08:03 AM**

That post above is why I love Asgarn, and will vote him in to a position of power (President, Prime Minister, Emperor) when he runs for office.

On topic....

It's been said leading in to 2.1 that player housing will be significantly less costly.Â That said, buying a Corolla is significantly less expensive than a Murcielago...but which is more fun?

Honestly, I don't see personal housing having more of a benefit than being fluff--a place that's your own in the world and that isn't just an inn room.Â Not to discredit that, of course, since Rift is doing AMAAAAZING things with their fluffy Dimensions system, but the benefits being offered to those with an FC house right now are significantly more than those with a personal house (at least right now, since we're not sure what activities will or will not be tied to personal housing).

FC housing, to me, seems more fun--a base of operations, a place for people to gather in neighborhoods for RP good times, an area that will eventually provide personal and FC-wide benefits.Â So, with all that said, I do believe you have to earn the benefits...but not at the expense of fun.Â There's a fine line between grinding your eyeballs into jelly and playing the game and doing its activities because they're fun or provideÂ a sense of adventure.

We all remember XI, yes?Â Getting the chocobo license?Â For those who maybe are not aware, the privilege to even rent a bird required one to sit in a stable and stare at a chocobo's cornhole for HOURS to feed the stupid thing gyshal greens at the appointed hour.

Yes, you earned the privilege....but it was NOT.Â FUN.

This isn't one of those calls for "easy mode lolol" or the argument for damn dirty casuals.Â This is a reference of how NOT to do things.Â ARR has been a gambit that has paid off for SE significantly--a first of its kind and an unprecedented achievement.Â They have to keep focus on why this game has worked so well....a combination of the right "elder MMO' attitudes with streamlined systems andÂ methods to make it fun for all types of players.

synaesthetic · **02-09-2014, 04:17 PM**

oh god getting the chocobo license was absurdly stupid.

Ildur · **02-09-2014, 11:15 PM**

I'm sure Squee would be ridicolously happy if the MMO player base was still willing to keep up with that crap. Then they wouldn't need to release meaningful and well-designed content anymore. Instead, they would only need to release the new big grinding checkpoint so that their players can keep mindlessly clicking on the same fantasy penguins (or their new, higher level variants!) and running the quickest and easiest dungeon available ad nauseam to reach it.

Sadly for them, players aren't as resistant to the grind as they were before. Which is a good thing.

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