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Sophia_Grave · **09-04-2015, 05:05 PM**

To be specific, what do we know of dragons from dragons'Â perspective? We all know what the Eorzeans think of them, but what actual concrete lore do we have about their culture, abilities, etc?

I recall some, but I'm certain there's more.
-Dragons (the biggest ones, anyway) seem to take names from Norse Mythology (Ratatotskr, Nidhogg, Midgardsomr).
-Male and female dragons have little to no sexual dimorphism.Â
-Dragons age so differently that they perceive just about everything differently than the races of man.

Like I said, I know I've missed some good details around Anyx Trine or the Churning Mists. Has anyone picked up anything good?

V'aleera · **09-04-2015, 05:09 PM**

The greater dragons/ wyrms (IE Svara, Aiatar, Isgebind etc.) can all live to be roughly 1000 years old, and over the course of their lives they will evolve in individual and distinct patterns both physically and mentally. This results in the varied colorations of their flesh/scales, and in the variation in their abilities and elemental affinities. This information comes from the Blue Dragon Triple Triad card description.

Also, you can probably learn a lot by doing the sidequests/talking to NPCs around Anyx Trine.

Eliane Dufresne · **09-05-2015, 02:55 AM**

(09-04-2015, 05:09 PM)Valeera Wrote: Also, you can probably learn a lot by doing the sidequests/talking to NPCs around Anyx Trine.

This. Anyx Trine is by far the best source. Off the top of my head, what I remember from there:

*Young dragons take a VERY long time to mature. They are still in the 'whelp' stage at 30 years old. Wyverns are apparently kind of a juvenile stage, I think?

*Young dragons cannot hunt for themselves, but elder dragons train them rigorously nevertheless by sparring them against stronger foes.

*Dragons mistrust medicine/alchemy. If they are injured, they prefer to try and heal naturally, and if they die it is simply "the way of nature". An elezen hermit lived near the summit of Sohm Al who tried to introduce them to medicine and gained a few converts, but the science of dragon medicine was largely lost after his death.

*Dragon breath can turn stone molten. The stone can potentially remain molten for centuries (?)

*Dragons collect, bury, and mourn their dead. A larger dragon will always arrive to carry off the corpse of a smaller dragon. (CWH quests). They are apparently interred in Mourn, if not volcanoes in general.

...I don't remember the rest. It's been a while. >.> But I highly recommend doing the sidequests there. It's fantastic lore.

Ziv'ir · **09-06-2015, 08:04 AM**

(09-05-2015, 02:55 AM)Eliane Dufresne Wrote:
(09-04-2015, 05:09 PM)V Wrote: Also, you can probably learn a lot by doing the sidequests/talking to NPCs around Anyx Trine.

This. Anyx Trine is by far the best source. Off the top of my head, what I remember from there:

*Young dragons take a VERY long time to mature. They are still in the 'whelp' stage at 30 years old. Wyverns are apparently kind of a juvenile stage, I think?

Pretty sure Wyverns are just another species/type of dragon. The wyverns we dealt with were juvenile but talk to some other ones around that area - or there are some new mobs (such as Elder Wyvern and some other varieties of wyverns). This is sort of the same as an Avis or Dragonfly are another type/species of dragon.

And man that hierarchy of dragons - sending countless dragonflies to die like cannon fodder.

Yunas13 · **09-06-2015, 07:57 PM**

What about when Dragons and Elezen lived in harmony? I got to thinking about it today and wondered in that 1000 year span did any elezen/dragons ever have children? I think from the MSQ dealing with the Inquisitor in Coerthas that he was a dragon in disguise so could that have been possible? I would love to learn more about the dragons' lore as they are one of my favorite mythological creatures and I don't always see them as the bad guys as we know that there are good dragons out there too! Smile

Virella · **09-06-2015, 08:09 PM**

Well technically we are all dragons waiting to happen back up in Ishgard, but... I'd figure we will find more and more out the more patches will drop Smile

Ziv'ir · **09-06-2015, 08:30 PM**

(09-06-2015, 07:57 PM)Yunas13 Wrote: What about when Dragons and Elezen lived in harmony? I got to thinking about it today and wondered in that 1000 year span did any elezen/dragons ever have children? I think from the MSQ dealing with the Inquisitor in Coerthas that he was a dragon in disguise so could that have been possible? I would love to learn more about the dragons' lore as they are one of my favorite mythological creatures and I don't always see them as the bad guys as we know that there are good dragons out there too!

The Inquisitor was an actual dragon simply under a glamour. That doesn't really mean half-breed babies are going to suddenly come into existence, most species can't breed with one another and create actual offspring or viable offspring - I mean I'd hardly think they could procreate even if...

They're not always the bad guys I mean literally that is the 3.0 storyline.

Yunas13 · **09-06-2015, 10:55 PM**

With Eorzea or the FFXIV world is so large that there could be say a hyur/dragon child out there! Sad

Â We don't have an encyclopedia and it is so hard to come up with a story to try and stick to as the lore is so widespread and not a lot on the races. (I might be struggling because I'm not a 1.0 player, I started at the 2.0 launch) I've got an idea I want to pursue and I'm working on the beginning in my head. I love dragons and the Au Ra are the perfect race for me to follow this idea. I am happy that I've got an idea that I feel excited to write as I realized I needed to write for my own enjoyment, if I post it, I know not everyone is not going to agree but I will still be loyal to the game and lore.Â

I was so happy to have the first expansion be focused on dragons and we get a particular minion later in the MSQ before the expansion to journey with us. I REALLY REALLY wish that the SMN gets a Leviathan-Egi as I love that summons as it is like a dragon, but more water based. Smile

Aaron · **09-06-2015, 11:31 PM**

None of the dragons are named Spyro.

I looked everywhere.

LiadansWhisper · **09-06-2015, 11:39 PM**

(09-06-2015, 10:55 PM)Yunas13 Wrote: With Eorzea or the FFXIV world is so large that there could be say a hyur/dragon child out there! Â We don't have an encyclopedia and it is so hard to come up with a story to try and stick to as the lore is so widespread and not a lot on the races. (I might be struggling because I'm not a 1.0 player, I started at the 2.0 launch) I've got an idea I want to pursue and I'm working on the beginning in my head. I love dragons and the Au Ra are the perfect race for me to follow this idea. I am happy that I've got an idea that I feel excited to write as I realized I needed to write for my own enjoyment, if I post it, I know not everyone is not going to agree but I will still be loyal to the game and lore.Â

I was so happy to have the first expansion be focused on dragons and we get a particular minion later in the MSQ before the expansion to journey with us. I REALLY REALLY wish that the SMN gets a Leviathan-Egi as I love that summons as it is like a dragon, but more water based.

The thing is, Dragons and mankind are two different species. Â All of the playable races are actually the same species (per the devs), but Dragons are an entirely separate species. Â I don't see how breeding would be possible.

Abbie · **09-07-2015, 02:33 AM**

(09-06-2015, 11:39 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote: The thing is, Dragons and mankind are two different species. Â All of the playable races are actually the same species (per the devs), but Dragons are an entirely separate species. Â I don't see how breeding would be possible.

This. While we do have evidence of halfbreeds in game from a number of sources, I feel the biological difference between the playable races and the dravanians is just too extreme. Like how you can crossbreed a horse and a donkey, but not say a horse and a dog, irl. Any attempt at crossbreeding between the 'human' races and a dravanian would likely just end in either nothing, or too many physical and genetic issues for the offspring to survive, if it even makes it through the birth.

I'm all for people doing what they want with lore, totally. Rp is something people do to enjoy and have fun with, and everyone should be allowed to rp what they want, so long as its not harming anyone else, which this certainly isn't. But playing a dravanian myself, a halfbreed dragon isn't something I would really want to meet icly, or interact with in roleplay.

Ziv'ir · **09-07-2015, 02:38 AM**

(09-06-2015, 10:55 PM)Yunas13 Wrote: With Eorzea or the FFXIV world is so large that there could be say a hyur/dragon child out there! Â We don't have an encyclopedia and it is so hard to come up with a story to try and stick to as the lore is so widespread and not a lot on the races. (I might be struggling because I'm not a 1.0 player, I started at the 2.0 launch) I've got an idea I want to pursue and I'm working on the beginning in my head. I love dragons and the Au Ra are the perfect race for me to follow this idea. I am happy that I've got an idea that I feel excited to write as I realized I needed to write for my own enjoyment, if I post it, I know not everyone is not going to agree but I will still be loyal to the game and lore.Â

I was so happy to have the first expansion be focused on dragons and we get a particular minion later in the MSQ before the expansion to journey with us. I REALLY REALLY wish that the SMN gets a Leviathan-Egi as I love that summons as it is like a dragon, but more water based.

Oh everyone's welcome to rp as they please, I guess I just don't really think it's something (at least in my all understanding I have with the lore) in the realm of a realistic possibility. The species are different to such an extent that it isn't the same as say an elezen and midlander having a kid - children who I think might end up just being infertile even if viable for life. They're completely different species, unlike the other races of eorzea.

Write for your own enjoyment, totally, but it's not really something I can see easily validated through the ingame lore. Playing a glamoured dravanian too it's kinda hard to see this type of stretch being something I'd want to or even be able to incorporate into my rp. I can guess people who are heavily involved in Dragoon rp might have a similar issue. (that said you might also want to look into dragoon, heretic and dragon blood lore stuff it might be interesting given well, people basically turning into dragons or gaining particular traits/connections).

If you're gonna go for it then sure go for it - but I'd also say there's a lot of pitfalls with the idea as well given how

Dante Abigor · **09-08-2015, 12:36 AM**

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Some minor and mega spoilers, plus a rant of sortsGreater Dragons are able to pass on their essence in place of death as long as some remnant of their power remains. Whether or not this exclusive to the two dragons seen to do this are as of yet unconfirmed.

Greater Dragons (Only Midgard so far) are able to "birth" themselves and accelerate their aging process at will.Â

Greater Dragons can still be killed apparently somehow despite the above abilities (As proven with the existence of Bahamut).

A dragons power resides in their eyes, and this power can be passed on or taken.

FFXIV dragons originally (or at least their "king") are not from Hydaelyn at all.

Despite not being from Hydaelyn, Dragons are still capable of summoning Primals (Which along with Ascians in general may imply primals or the art of summoning in general are neither exclusive nor originated on Hydaelyn).

*THEORY FOLLOWING*
It isnt confirmed at all but Im almost certain that dragons not being from the same planet as everyone else is related to why the rules of the lifestream, or rather "death" do not fully apply to them. (Also extremely similar to the entire situation that happened in FFVII with Jenova, minus the hellish cell takeover)

Further, dragons might apparently be able to fly through space if they are strong/old enough, AND Midgard might not be the only dragon of his...calibur if he came from another planet, simply the progenitor of all the dragons seen in game.

Also a final shot in the dark, I find it odd that having their "King" Explode in a Garlean Super Nuke airship crash did not inspire retaliation and outrage, but having their eyes stolen did. The latter obviously seems worse especially considering the circumstances and the fact that their king can apparently rebirth himself whenever the Hell he feels like it, but it may point to how they view their progenitor, or a least something related to him. As stated above in an earlier post, Dragons collect and bury the dead of their corpses, so why was Midgard not collected? Was it because he wasnt actually fully dead, because he is the highest ranking dragon so no one could collect him, or some other reason?

*THEORY CRAFTING OVER*

Sylentmana · **09-08-2015, 12:54 PM**

(09-06-2015, 10:55 PM)Yunas13 Wrote: With Eorzea or the FFXIV world is so large that there could be say a hyur/dragon child out there! Â We don't have an encyclopedia and it is so hard to come up with a story to try and stick to as the lore is so widespread and not a lot on the races. (I might be struggling because I'm not a 1.0 player, I started at the 2.0 launch) I've got an idea I want to pursue and I'm working on the beginning in my head. I love dragons and the Au Ra are the perfect race for me to follow this idea. I am happy that I've got an idea that I feel excited to write as I realized I needed to write for my own enjoyment, if I post it, I know not everyone is not going to agree but I will still be loyal to the game and lore.Â

I was so happy to have the first expansion be focused on dragons and we get a particular minion later in the MSQ before the expansion to journey with us. I REALLY REALLY wish that the SMN gets a Leviathan-Egi as I love that summons as it is like a dragon, but more water based.

In a MSQ discussion of Shiva, one of the characters stated that it would be physically impossible for an elezen (or any other playable race) to mate with a dragon. In addition, the biological differences are far to great for any offspring to be viable.

Sounsyy · **09-11-2015, 11:52 PM**

Stumbled upon this earlier today. Figured I'd drop it here.

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Dravanian Wrote:Thanks to tinolqaâ€‹ for finding this Dengeki article about an interview for the design of Aery which included some interesting lore! I was able to request from Anonymoose and Vik Vicious to offer a translation. This was an amateur speed translation so there may be some errors!

â€“ What direction did you take with this dungeonâ€™s concepts?

The basic concept was, â€œthe place where Nidhogg and his brood live.â€ This is where the scenerioâ€™s middle areas peaked, so we wanted it to be a little scary.

â€“ When the people of Ishgard become dragons, is there a general role for what they will become?

In terms of how powerful they will become, it goes in order Aevis -> Syricta -> Diresaur. Think of it as depending on how much of the â€œfactor of the dragonâ€ they inherited.

Also, drinking â€œdragons bloodâ€ alone has no effect. It has to be â€œblood poured with great magick.â€

Drinking the blood of a defeated dragon, or even taking draconian medicines, there will be no effect.

In the right doses it is perfectly safe, so adventurers and even the people of Ishgard should have peace of mind when using draconian medicines.

â€“ In the FATE chain, Darkscale refers to â€œNidhogg-sama.â€ So, heâ€™s positioned below Nidhogg - not one of the seven celestial dragons?

Correct. Darkscale is not among the seven celestial dragons, he is of Nidhoggâ€™s kin.

Midgardsormr revealed in his dialogue that after the Seven had grown, they flew all over the world. Hraesvelgr, Nidhogg, and Ratatoskr chose to live on the Three Great Continents. Bahamut and Tiamat decided to go to the southern continent of Meracydia.

The names and whereabouts of the last two have been decided, but will not be revealed until later.

â€“ The terminology for dragon (kin / follower / family) is often used, but what do they include?

Itâ€™s explanation is included in quests and such, but itâ€™s spread out and can be confusing so Iâ€™ll go over it again. There are three basic groups in the â€œdragon broods.â€ They are the â€œgenuine dragons,â€ the â€œpeople who became dragons,â€ and the â€œmonsters who submit to dragon magicks.â€

The â€œgenuine dragonsâ€ are evolving creatures, so their figures will vary - but they are all intelligent.

The â€œpeople who become dragonsâ€ are the aevis and syricta and such.

Finally, we have drakes and biasts, dragonflies, and tyrannosaurs. They lack intelligence. They are basically bound, mindless monsters. The intense magickal power of the dragons causes them to submit, and though they obey and work together, they are not genuine dragons.

â€“ In Errn Scorh, dragons appear one after another from the [glowing things]. What is that? How does that work from an in-game world-view? Egg Hatching + Hypergrowth Mechanisms? Summoning?

For dragons, across hundreds of years you have active phases and dormant phases. You can interpret these as devices that protect the body during a dormant stage. They were slumbering in that place and suddenly aroused by the magicks of Nidhogg. The sudden battle was very unfortunate for them, wouldnâ€™t you say?

â€“ For the seven celestial dragons, it is said that their eyes are the wellspring of their power. Is this only true for the seven?

The amassing of aether in the eyes is a characteristic of the whole dragon family. If one lived as long as one of the Seven Celestial Dragons, they might, in theory, have comparable power.

â€“ Finally if you know something that â€œhasnâ€™t been told in the game,â€ by all means, tell us!

Itâ€™s become a bit of a rumor that, in the Aery, you can see what look like debris of Allagan restraints. But that just blew off of Dalamud in the Seventh Calamity. Itâ€™s an interesting fate that one of the things that once bound Bahamut would end up here, isnâ€™t it?

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