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LiadansWhisper · **10-11-2015, 09:57 PM**

(10-11-2015, 09:15 PM)V Wrote:
(10-11-2015, 01:10 AM)LiadansWhisper Wrote: Of all the creatures who might understand immortal beings that don't entirely exist in this reality, don't you think dragons might be the most likely to be able to do so? Â They, too, are immortal. Â They, too, have worked for the good of the planet as a whole (Midgardsormir has some connection with Hydaelyn that hasn't been fully explained yet, but it's definitely there). Â And they, too, have suffered greatly at the hands of outsiders. Â They also, so far as we are aware, have no ill-will towards the elementals.
In my opinion if any manner of conflict were to arise between the dragons and Elementals, it would be more likely rooted in possible apathy toward the well-being of the Shroud by the dragons than conscious ill will. While I don't see anything to suggest dragons have any desire to lash out at the Elementals, I also don't see them caring enough to tip-toe through the Shroud should they ever find themselves there.

But again that's just speculation, and in practice it would likely vary depending on the specific dragon and what they're doing.

I think, actually, that characterizing it as "tiptoeing" would be incorrect, as it's quite likely the dragons would fully understand and comprehend what the Elementals were going on about. Â It's not like it is in the case of mortals, where sometimes even Hearers and Padjal are totally confused as to why the Elementals are losing their shit. Â I suspect that the great dragons - not the lesser ones, of course - would be much more aware of what is going on. Â So instead of it being the case with mortals, where we're doing things that don't make any sense to us, it might very well make perfect sense to a dragon, because they don't think the way we do.

Edgar · **10-11-2015, 11:11 PM**

(10-11-2015, 09:57 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:
(10-11-2015, 09:15 PM)V Wrote:
(10-11-2015, 01:10 AM)LiadansWhisper Wrote: Of all the creatures who might understand immortal beings that don't entirely exist in this reality, don't you think dragons might be the most likely to be able to do so? Â They, too, are immortal. Â They, too, have worked for the good of the planet as a whole (Midgardsormir has some connection with Hydaelyn that hasn't been fully explained yet, but it's definitely there). Â And they, too, have suffered greatly at the hands of outsiders. Â They also, so far as we are aware, have no ill-will towards the elementals.
In my opinion if any manner of conflict were to arise between the dragons and Elementals, it would be more likely rooted in possible apathy toward the well-being of the Shroud by the dragons than conscious ill will. While I don't see anything to suggest dragons have any desire to lash out at the Elementals, I also don't see them caring enough to tip-toe through the Shroud should they ever find themselves there.

But again that's just speculation, and in practice it would likely vary depending on the specific dragon and what they're doing.

I think, actually, that characterizing it as "tiptoeing" would be incorrect, as it's quite likely the dragons would fully understand and comprehend what the Elementals were going on about. Â It's not like it is in the case of mortals, where sometimes even Hearers and Padjal are totally confused as to why the Elementals are losing their shit. Â I suspect that the great dragons - not the lesser ones, of course - would be much more aware of what is going on. Â So instead of it being the case with mortals, where we're doing things that don't make any sense to us, it might very well make perfect sense to a dragon, because they don't think the way we do.

I have to agree with that sentiment. The dragons have been here forever, and with the way that their minds operate, details like that are probably fresh in their minds.

V'aleera · **10-11-2015, 11:20 PM**

I would agree that the great dragons (Tiamat, Hraesvelgr, Ratatoskr etc.) would likely fall in the camp of being more conscientious than not. Nidhogg is Nidhogg and would probably smash his way through the Shroud like he would literally anywhere else, but he's not exactly possessed of much sense anymore.

Midgardsormr I feel could probably go either way; I would imagine he is aware of the Elementals and their position, and I doubt he'd ever antagonize them without a deliberate reason. But I'd wager if he did come up with a reason he wouldn't hesitate to follow through.

My original post was created moreso with the lesser wyrms in mind, though; the Svaras, Aiatars, and Isgebinds. Like, what happens when they stumble in wounded and on the run, crushing flora and devouring fauna in an endeavor to escape and recover? Or what if a dragon wanted to create a breeding/hunting ground away from Abalathia's Spine (much like Aiatar did in La Noscea)? Stuff like that.

A bit of a tangent, but now that I think about it, I'm also curious as to the Elementals' position on invasive species of flora.

LiadansWhisper · **10-11-2015, 11:51 PM**

(10-11-2015, 11:20 PM)V Wrote: I would agree that the great dragons (Tiamat, Hraesvelgr, Ratatoskr etc.) would likely fall in the camp of being more conscientious than not. Nidhogg is Nidhogg and would probably smash his way through the Shroud like he would literally anywhere else, but he's not exactly possessed of much sense anymore.

Midgardsormr I feel could probably go either way; I would imagine he is aware of the Elementals and their position, and I doubt he'd ever antagonize them without a deliberate reason. But I'd wager if he did come up with a reason he wouldn't hesitate to follow through.

My original post was created moreso with the lesser wyrms in mind, though; the Svaras, Aiatars, and Isgebinds. Like, what happens when they stumble in wounded and on the run, crushing flora and devouring fauna in an endeavor to escape and recover? Or what if a dragon wanted to create a breeding/hunting ground away from Abalathia's Spine (much like Aiatar did in La Noscea)? Stuff like that.

A bit of a tangent, but now that I think about it, I'm also curious as to the Elementals' position on invasive species of flora.

I believe the lesser wyrms are characterized as having far less intelligence as compared to the great wyrms. Â If they were foolish enough to run to the Shroud for cover, I doubt the Elementals would be okay with it. Â After all, they'd be bringing their war to a neutral third party (I very much doubt the Elementals care overmuch for the wars of mortals, especially given the history of the War of the Magi).

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