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Nel Celestine · **06-22-2013, 09:17 PM**

seems like people with the echo, or at least the leader of the path of the twelve remembers what happened.Â They are confused as to why others don't remember.Â Maybe the echo is tied to the crystal and those chosen by it and thus remember the calamity.

miyasha · **06-22-2013, 09:28 PM**

In their own way, SE has given us a way to keep all of our associations/memories.Â Whether or not you choose to RP with your char having the Echo or not (and i like the new version of it..view-only, and only triggers with certain people/events, so far), we all have been touched by the Mothercrystal in one way or another.Â If you want to, those who decided not to timeskip CAN choose to RP as if you had lost the memories of those who have jumped, BUT that will be a personal choice..as it has been shown in-game that a person with the Echo DOES retain their memories of the people who jumped.Â ...and technically, we all have the Echo.Â

So, it's now a matter of personal choice whether or not you want YOUR character to forget those who skipped, but it does mean that IC relationships/associations/etc can still be valid between the two groups.Â As a note, Miya did not jump, but she did not forget either~Â Tongue

Aysun · **06-22-2013, 09:50 PM**

I'm going to post what I did over at Crystalline's discussion of this.

I don't believe that they are removing memories of people at all. My speculation (and all of this post is just speculation but who knows!) it was not anything to do with the non-timewarper's character that made them forget anything. It is the event itself. Those who were teleported were taken from this plane to another, then put back. What was done to THEM, not your character, likely is what is affecting peoples' memories of them. Again, speculation.

More speculation incoming. Just because you do not recognize or place a name to a face when you meet them again, does not mean that they have forgotten the original person.

Let me explain kind of what I'm think of all this.

Isilme's father went to the battle. She remembers her father. When he meets her again, she will not recognize his face as her father's, nor his name as her father's. That doesn't mean she's forgotten her father. He will feel familiar to her, however. Depending on the character, she may brush it off as a feeling of deja vu.. or latch onto this familiarity as something significant, and listen to him when he tells her he is her father. Because she hasn't forgotten her father, if he tells her something from her childhood that only he knows.. perhaps she will believe him and 'recognize' him again.

That's how things seem to me so far. Sans Echo-havers, though, they have no problems. XD

Noelle · **06-23-2013, 09:52 AM**

So I figure Iâ€™ll hop in, and try and give my own personal take on this. And Iâ€™ll state now that Iâ€™ve only done a few of the story missions, so my experience might be limited too. If you have something that says otherwise to what I think, let me know.

Now Louisoix transported those at the battle through time.This includes at the very least the GC leaders, all of whom return and everyone knows who they are. So Iâ€™d be inclined to believe that the erasure of memories isnâ€™t tied to the time travel at all.
People know that the GCs were there, and that the adventurers fought to defend the realm.

Itâ€™s the Warriors of Light who people have forgotten.
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So then, who are the Warriors of Light?

Well any PC from 1.0 is essentially the warrior of light,thatâ€™s how the story works. But as RPers, I canâ€™t think of anyone of the top of my head whoâ€™s actually RPing as the character who's progressing down the central story of the game itself. We know of the GCs, some of us have the Echo and some might say theyâ€™ve met these key NPCs.
But weâ€™re not the Warriors of Light. At least Remi isnâ€™t.

Remi was at the battle, and Iâ€™m having her warped through time.How does this look to others? Sheâ€™d have been missing for many years, suddenly to reappear unchanged in age or knowledge.

Amazing!

Except thatâ€™s nothing unique. Thereâ€™s more than one person this has happened to. A large chunk of us, the GC leaders and likely others too. Then there would be those who claim to have been warped, who further dilute the time warping.
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My thoughts on the Warriors of Light are that theyâ€™re not us. Theyâ€™re adventurers who fought at the vanguard for Eorzea, and stand as a beacon to those who will follow. Theyâ€™re an ideal. Theyâ€™re the heroes who we played, but donâ€™t RP as.
Remi will remember them too, as both those at the Flats recall and those who met them during their adventures do.
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As for NPC reactions, to me it seems to work both ways. If youâ€™re an original 1.0 Light Warrior or a newcomer for story purposes.
Many of the chat dialogue seems fixed from the parts Iâ€™ve seen, in Ulâ€™dah you meet Stud-muffin Thancred. Who says â€œâ€¦Ah. Wait a moment. It occurs to me that we may haveâ€¦â€ which I want to follow with â€œ..met beforeâ€ as a recollection of the Warrior of light who everyone has forgotten. Thereâ€™s other similar lines throughout, even as a new character.
But it could just as easily be that he can â€˜feelâ€™ the same sortâ€™ve presence from the PC as the previous Light Warrior. Something that I think Raubahn touches on. That youâ€™re inherently herioic, gifted with the Echo, and touched by the mother crystal Haedalyn. As were the Light Warriors before you.
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You can claim to be those light warriors, but thereâ€™s no evidence that you are, and Iâ€™m certain that many people would falsely make that same claim for personal gain.
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Thatâ€™s my thoughts on it, atleast.

[sub]tl;dr
The Light Warriors are forgotten. But I'm not a Light Warrior.[/sub]

Aysun · **06-23-2013, 11:25 AM**

(06-23-2013, 09:52 AM)Noelle Wrote: My thoughts on the Warriors of Light are that theyâ€™re not us. Theyâ€™re adventurers who fought at the vanguard for Eorzea, and stand as a beacon to those who will follow. Theyâ€™re an ideal. Theyâ€™re the heroes who we played, but donâ€™t RP as.
Remi will remember them too, as both those at the Flats recall and those who met them during their adventures do.

Except some of us did choose to go to the battle and be one of those adventurers IC, and got time-skipped. That's the point. xD Now five years later we've poofed back into existence, and people don't know what they remember of us and what they don't. We pretty much confirmed that it's only a recognition problem, not that any stay-behinds had any memories wiped of us, just based on what the NPCs have been saying. When we return we simply won't be recognizable as the people they knew right away. Bring on the fun RP!

Kerr · **06-23-2013, 12:07 PM**

I'm kind of glad that I don't have to deal with any of this. Haha. Kerr didn't know anyone from 1.0. Woo! Problem solved.

Aysun · **06-23-2013, 12:38 PM**

(06-23-2013, 12:07 PM)Kerr Wrote: I'm kind of glad that I don't have to deal with any of this. Haha. Kerr didn't know anyone from 1.0. Woo! Problem solved.

Don't make me shank a bitch. Dodgy

Noelle · **06-23-2013, 01:21 PM**

I feel like you sort've missed my point, but that's fine I realise it's hard to grasp.

Remi was at the battle herself, she time warped. I am one of those who was there, please don't cut me out so quickly.

I'm trying to say that the iconic Warriors of Light that the people have forgotten would be the -main characters- in the -main story- of the game.
I don't see why everyone else who was present but not the light warriors is forgotten, it never mentions that. Infact they're clearly remembered, with the GC leaders as examples.

I could be mistaken, of course. You might be RPing out all the story missions and being the hero of Eorzea and have been all chummy with the NPCs.

But yeah, that's just my interpretation. Sorry if it still doesn't make sense.

Aylis · **06-23-2013, 01:26 PM**

So I kinda sorta maybe? Have this very loose theory or idea, please remember this is just my interpritation and I'm probably 100% wrong as usual Big Grin

So the way I see it? The one exact thing we all have in common, be it time warped, or staying? Its this dream we all have involving out favorite prophet Urianger!

I guess this could be interpreted as a couple things on each side? To the time warped ones he broke you out of your crystal slumber and placed the brand on you so you'd remember the past and who you were and all your close friends? To the ones that stayed behind we all had this collective dream he visited us and placed the brand on us so we would remember our past and who we were and who our close friends were?

So i guess either way the brand is the key to our memories IC and remembering?

Ellie · **06-23-2013, 01:47 PM**

I know we've pretty much all have come to the same conclusion about what's going on with the foggy memories, but I thought I'd post this here as well.

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During the last hour of the beta I rushed through the main storyline quests to get to the scene I remember seeing, and it pretty much lays out exactly what has and hasn't been wiped from memory.

Blade · **06-23-2013, 02:27 PM**

(06-23-2013, 01:21 PM)Noelle Wrote: I'm trying to say that the iconic Warriors of Light that the people have forgotten would be the -main characters- in the -main story- of the game.
I don't see why everyone else who was present but not the light warriors is forgotten, it never mentions that. Infact they're clearly remembered, with the GC leaders as examples.

I could be mistaken, of course. You might be RPing out all the story missions and being the hero of Eorzea and have been all chummy with the NPCs.

Warriors of Light as it is used in FFXIV isn't really as significant of a term as it is in previous Final Fantasy games. The starter NPCs pretty much go out and say that the adventurers--all of them, as a whole--who went to the Battle of Carteneau that they are unable to remember are the 'Warriors of Light,' and it has to do with the fact that when they try to recall memories of them, its like trying to recognize someone standing in front of you with the sun behind them. It's fuzzy.

It's not a term that's reserved for the 'heroes of legend' as it were. It's a term that is used to, in general, refer to all those adventurers who vanished after the Battle of Carteneau.

Regarding why the time-warped adventurers were forgotten and not the Grand Company leaders, I'm sure through the story this will be revealed. Bear in mind we're only seeing a part of the overall story; we still haven't got an answer as to 'why.' It's also just not the faces of the adventurers that are forgotten, but the events of that night and all that transpired as a whole.

Vashies Alexander · **06-23-2013, 02:31 PM**

i worked with it and around it from XI and seem be ok... though it was rather hard come up with a story line.

Aysun · **06-23-2013, 02:50 PM**

(06-23-2013, 01:21 PM)Noelle Wrote: I feel like you sort've missed my point, but that's fine I realise it's hard to grasp.

Remi was at the battle herself, she time warped. I am one of those who was there, please don't cut me out so quickly.

I'm trying to say that the iconic Warriors of Light that the people have forgotten would be the -main characters- in the -main story- of the game.
I don't see why everyone else who was present but not the light warriors is forgotten, it never mentions that. Infact they're clearly remembered, with the GC leaders as examples.

I could be mistaken, of course. You might be RPing out all the story missions and being the hero of Eorzea and have been all chummy with the NPCs.

But yeah, that's just my interpretation. Sorry if it still doesn't make sense.

First of all, my post was in NO WAY hostile to you or your idea. I'd appreciate it if you kept the same civil tone with me. There is NO reason for you to be responding with such malice over a simple discussion.

Second, as Blade clarified, all the adventurers who were at the Battle of Carteneau and were teleported are now known as Warriors of Light. We're not being special snowflakes by RPing this out. ICly I was not chummy with the main NPCs nor am I RPing being the main storyline hero. What I am RPing is being one of the numerous adventurers, including Remi, that went to Carteneau to fight, and are now known as the Warriors of Light. Due to that, when I come back, those without the Echo won't recognize who I am right away, even though they remember Aysun went to fight.

The GC leaders depiction of their own teleportation is not like ours. They seem to have been let out mere days at the most after the Battle, and thus do not seem to be affected like the Warriors of Light were. I assume that's why they're recognized and remembered no problem.

Merri · **06-23-2013, 03:00 PM**

Let's please try to keep this discussion civil, everyone. People have differing opinions, and that's perfectly fine. No need to push anything further here on the thread. Personal matters can be discussed privately~

Now, here's a question (and forgive me if this has already been discussed! Haven't had time to fully read every single post). Time-skippers and the echo seem to be intertwined pretty heavily. Some of our characters already had the echo ICly, so it's no real difference to us, but what about you out there who didn't have the echo and were time skipped.

Would you have forgotten everyone as well? Even your friends at the battle? It seems like having the echo is what is allowing us to remember everything and eachother for the most part. Unless whatever "happened" to time-skippers while we were phased out from Eorzea would allow the connection regardless of echo.

Perhaps having been time-skipped forced the echo upon characters who lacked it?

Foods for thought?

Nel Celestine · **06-23-2013, 03:13 PM**

Merri- it seems that everyone time skipped kept their memories.Â Echo or not.

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