(07-27-2016, 04:22 AM)Charity322 Wrote: Yeah, just realised that it is only Limsa where I've seen Qiqirn and Goblin merchants in the city (and some scaly things in the tax line at Mealvaan's Gate). Other cities they're all outside the city itself.
Historically, the Amalja'a(sp?) were permitted in Ul'dah, and traded with its citizens, but something happened (Sounsyy probably has the details) that caused the treaty between Ul'dah and the Amalja'a to be broken and you no longer see them there.
Quote:I kind of wondered how the Keepers of the Moon fit into the whole pact thing too. A lot of them were specifically mentioned as not being part of Gridania, yet they obviously have not been kicked out of the Shroud by the elementals.
I don't think you necessarily have to be a part of Gridania to be a part of the pact, but in the case of the Keepers, the Elementals don't seem to necessarily be able to differentiate between Gridanians and outsiders in the forest. You have to do something to incur their irritation or anger to get their attention, most of the time.
Quote:They didn't like the Primals because they were competition.
They don't like the Primals for the same reason everyone else doesn't like Primals - Primals destroy the land by their very existence.
Quote:That makes me think about the Hearers' gifts too. I remember E-Sumi-Yan saying that Sylphie inherited hers from her mother, so it doesn't appear as if people are judged by the elementals and then given the gift. It seems to be a natural talent that anyone might have, so I guess you could have bad Hearers who use it for their own gain. Maybe before the Calamity the elementals gave those kind of Hearers a kick up the arse lol.
There's no indication that the Elementals have any sort of control over who is born with the "gift" of being able to Hear. The first mentions appear to indicate that the ability came about sometime during or after the Gelmorrans were taught Conjury by the Moogles, so it's possible that it's related to Conjury itself. Every Padjal is a Hearer, but not every Hearer is a Padjal, so perhaps it was a stepping stone? Either way, it does appear to be an inherited trait, and we most often see it in Hyur and Elezen, but there's nothing to say that a Miqo'te or Lalafell couldn't be born with the ability. It's just very unlikely.
(07-27-2016, 06:23 AM)Valence Wrote: The Hearer gift is twofold: you can like Sylphie be a natural at it, and then train to understand it and not just Hear, but you can also not be a natural at it like most conjurers, and work hand in hand with nature and elementals to eventually be able, maybe, someday, to Hear like a newborn natural would.
I can't recall any quest text that indicates that someone can train into the ability. It seems to be inherited, and is said to be very rare. That the Warrior of Light is able to Hear Elementals at certain points (mostly in 1.0 it seems) seems to be probably related to their gift with the Echo, which provides you with the ability to speak any language (including, it would seem, "Elemental").
I just haven't seen anything to back Hearers being anything but born. They have to train to refine their abilities, but if people who weren't born with the gift could just train to become a Hearer, there would be a lot more Hearers and they are apparently quite rare. Not as rare as Padjal, but far rarer than Conjurers in general.
Quote:Bad apples among Hearers is probably a thing, like in any job or milieu really. If you dont want to get caught, then you have to be careful and good at tricking your peers. And I bet that in the case of Hearers, you would have to trick padjals, which is no small feat.
I don't see why you'd have to trick your peers. Hearers don't seem to be assigned in groups - we only ever really see one at a time. If no one else in your group can Hear, then who is going to know you're lying through your teeth? The Townsfolk revere Hearers almost as much as Padjal, and aren't going to gainsay them, and the Elementals don't know that you're lying because they apparently can't understand mortal speech anymore than most people can understand Elemental speech.
Quote:But at the same time, once you get above that (since padjals are few and scarse), you basically get a free pass to make up whatever you want since well, you are the only one to Hear anyway, so who cares if you tell lies? The trick is just not to make up any shit too big for any other conjurer or Hearer to notice that you are just being a little shit...
It would be very difficult for a Conjurer to a) detect that the Hearer was lying and, b) more importantly, prove that the Hearer was lying, since the average Conjurer can't Hear and wouldn't have any way of knowing that the Hearer in question was lying through their teeth. As far as tricking other Hearers, since they don't seem to ever really be given assignments in groups, outside of a very few instances, I would imagine it doesn't come up a lot unless someone complains to another Hearer. Even then, who would the Hearer believe? The other Hearer, who they trust, or some random dude?
Quote:And also, the Elementals probably don't care if you make up shit. They will just start caring if it disturbs the balance of the Wood. But if you say "That mighan family is NOT approved by the Elementals" because you are a racist asshole of a Hearer, why would Elementals even care? Human problems. Racism is not even a thing among Elementals. They wouldn't even be able to say it's racism anyway, they wouldn't know the concept.
They wouldn't know you were lying in the first place because they can't understand mortal speech. That's the entire point of Hearers existing.