(02-06-2015, 04:12 AM)Eleni Wrote: 1. David from The Last of Us. Played by Nolan North. Now, when you first meet David, he seems like a nice guy, agrees to help Ellie, and even helps her through an Infected Horde. Then he turns out to be one hell of an asshole, cannibalistic and crazy. So, you can never judge a character based on one appearance. Secondly, Nolan North is known for a lot of other memorable roles as well, would you call him crazy and evil just because he voiced David?

2. The Joker. Played by Heath Ledger. No spoilers for this one because, hey, who doesn't know the Joker, and I'm pretty sure every one has seen The Dark Knight. Now, we all know the Joker is a lunatic, perhaps the baddest of baddies in comic books. The things he has done to scar Batman are numerous. But, would you say Heath Ledger was the same just because he played him? 

Bottom line, do not judge a person based on their character. IC and OOC are two completely different things, i.e, person is not equal to character. Character is character and that's it. 

I got hungry after typing all that. XD

(02-06-2015, 06:33 AM)Knight Kat Wrote: Most keep saying IC and OOC have to be absolutely separate. To me, that is an ideal, and as I RP more, I tend to see this supposed "rule" broken too many times. Everyone seems to strive for it, but I don't see most ever get to that point completely.  

I think I know why because as much as we don't want to admit it, IC actions -do- have some OOC consequences.

For example, lets say some characters become an IC problem because they can no longer get along with certain other characters for whatever reasons are used to justify the conflict. In order to not make the conflict a constant focal point of an entire group's RP, one or both parties need to come to an agreement or leave. Right?

Well, what if leaving becomes the only route? Sometimes, characters just can't get along. Yes, most of us are adults and should be able to discuss matters like such OOC, but what if the two parties ICly disagree, and go separate ways?

That effects RP. It effects who they can RP with on those specific characters, and maybe even where they can RP with those specific characters. In Askier's example, he had to ICly leave. That means his RP on Askier became more limited to an extant. Fortunately, in his case, he seems okay with how things turned out. However, what if a player didn't OOCly want things to turn out the way they did IC?

Now back to my original example in my previous post of a player who thinks their character is justified, and thinks that the effected outcome is the fault of the player who's character their character was in conflict with. Suddenly what should have stayed IC has become OOC. The whole "Your character ruined my character's chances of being in that group!" kind of thing.

To me, it is best to never be OOCly dead-set on a path for your character. With Kiht, I let RP guide her. If she ends up where she wants to be, great. If she does not, I can still work with that and have fun. Kiht is the Matriarch of her own group, but sometimes I dream about her being a lone scout again. I could be happy with either case. However, I tend to see many characters set up to be too dependent on specific story elements, or even the presents of certain other characters. I often see this lead to OOC disappointment.

TL;DR: I think RPers should be prepared for IC actions to lead to consequences that will influence the direction of RP; maybe even into an undesirable direction. If such does happens, other players should not be blamed for it.

(02-06-2015, 12:39 AM)Kamome Wrote: Also.

Take this!

http://www.springhole.net/writing/marysue.htm

(02-06-2015, 10:26 AM)Bopdoot Wrote:

(02-06-2015, 12:39 AM)Kamome Wrote: Also.

Take this!

http://www.springhole.net/writing/marysue.htm

Lol!  I scored an 18

"17-21 Points
MMO/RPG/Original Fiction: Low chance your character is a Mary Sue."

(02-05-2015, 08:47 AM)Knight Kat Wrote: So, I hope it's not off-topic to kinda ask questions for people to respond to and think about rather than give answers. I don't think things are always so cut and dry.

What happens when two characters in the same group (Group of friends or small FC) can't ICly get along for a vast majority of the time? At what point does constant conflict between specific two characters (or two parties of characters) ruin a story?

For example, in the x-men moves (plz forgive this reference) Cyclops and Wolverine are rivals. In the scenes they are in, they never get along and always look like they are on the verge of fighting. Movies run on a scrip though; RP usually doesn't. What if 90% of the movie turned into Cyclops VS Wolverine with all characters on the sidelines just sighing and face-palming? Would that have made a good movie?

Well, one answer I would expect is for the players to OOCly discuss it. But what if the players of the rival characters each OOCly feel their own character is justified in their IC actions and reactions?

IMHO, that is when separation is in order. But what if that causes plotting and story to become overly complicated, or makes it so separation is impossible because the group all wants to do things together? Who gets left out?

If one of the rivals has to be removed from the group; thus, removing them from some or all RP with the group as a whole, how do you tell a person getting removed (who thinks their character is in the right) why their character is being removed without upsetting them OOC?

I have witnessed scenarios like this actually happen several times. This can actually ruin the RP progression and story of a group. An endless conflict and popularity contest may be fun for some, but most I have talked to find it not fun at all.  

In my RP, my character is either contributing to her own story, or the story of some other character. If my character is being a chronic disruption to another character's story, I find an IC reason to remove her from it unless asked otherwise. Even if I feel my character is in the right, I can accept that others may not agree, and be willing to make it so she is no longer a major element or problem. However, some may see this as bending a character, and I might be hard-pressed to argue with them. But I am RPing to develop a good story, and help others develop a good story. If someone feels my character is not helping with that, I am not offended to be told such. The problem is, what if I feel I have to tell someone else that? How do I do so without upsetting them, or making them think I am leaking IC into OOC?  

If this is too off-topic, I'll gladly make a separate thread about it.

(02-06-2015, 12:49 PM)Dimona Wrote: I think a good role-player and storyteller realizes that his or her character may be a compelling force in their own story arcs, but also serves as secondary/supporting or backup character in others' story arcs and owns this.

(02-06-2015, 12:54 PM)Gegenji Wrote: And, being the eternal worrier I am, I sometimes wonder if I'm pushing too far into the limelight.

(02-06-2015, 01:01 PM)Dimona Wrote:

(02-06-2015, 12:54 PM)Gegenji Wrote: And, being the eternal worrier I am, I sometimes wonder if I'm pushing too far into the limelight.

I think if you're worried or thinking you might be pushy with your character, you are probably fine.  Some people I don't think are even cognizent of this.

(02-06-2015, 07:00 AM)Nebbs Wrote: Off the wall but.. There is only OOC?

We decide what our characters do, no one else. We are not playing a part that someone else has written, we are responding to what is happening in a scene and then translating that to actions of a character.

So while there may be separation of context, there is no separation of responsibility. 

Now we are all flawed and have different norms, so friction will occur. If that is spoiling the enjoyment and can't be resolved IC, you need to talk OOC. Though even then, just because it is OOC does not mean things will be nice and smooth. 

People sometimes get along and sometimes they don't... that's just Life.

(02-06-2015, 07:00 AM)Nebbs Wrote: Off the wall but.. There is only OOC?

We decide what our characters do, no one else. We are not playing a part that someone else has written, we are responding to what is happening in a scene and then translating that to actions of a character.

So while there may be separation of context, there is no separation of responsibility. 

Now we are all flawed and have different norms, so friction will occur. If that is spoiling the enjoyment and can't be resolved IC, you need to talk OOC. Though even then, just because it is OOC does not mean things will be nice and smooth. 

People sometimes get along and sometimes they don't... that's just Life.

(02-06-2015, 01:45 PM)Tiergan Wrote: I am having trouble understanding what you mean by this.  Are you saying there is not really an IC because all of our decisions are made OOC and thus all IC actions have the same weight and responsibility as OOC actions?  Because if so - I STRONGLY disagree and would honestly be really, really unsettled by this line of thinking.  That is like saying all villainous characters should bear the same kind of OOC weight as if they were commiting a rel crime.  Or that people in an IC relationship should be just as dedicated to their IC lover as their OOC lover.

There MUST be a separation or you are doing harm.