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Edgar · **10-29-2015, 02:40 PM**

(10-29-2015, 11:45 AM)Telluride Wrote: Interesting and relevant for gamer-dancers:

If I could dress up Aradial as Shantae some time...

McBeefâ„¢ · **10-29-2015, 02:55 PM**

This is a very good point. There are quite a few economic and moral schools of thought that view all work that is done only for money to be prostitution.

That there is no true difference between having sex for money, and being a taxi driver. Both ways are using their body and time to gain profit, and while they have different work and risks and requirements, they're both equally profane/acceptable.Â

A society like Ul'dah that lacks the morals of Earth religions could very much have the same view. That city in particular I think would not see shame in using one's beauty to gain advantage. After all, no one complains when the smart or strong do it Wink

Oli! · **10-29-2015, 02:57 PM**

(10-29-2015, 02:55 PM)McBeefâ„¢ Wrote: Â After all, no one complains when the smart or strong do it

stop being stronger than me

die in a hole

Aya · **10-29-2015, 03:07 PM**

(10-29-2015, 02:55 PM)McBeefâ„¢ Wrote: After all, no one complains when the smart or strong do it

Work-it Work-it!Â Don't worry, Aya's making a life of that for now! ^^

I do think that Ul'dah, especially, being so transnational in nature, is probably as you describe.Â The sme with Limsa.Â Conservative Gridania and Ishgard...?Â Not so sure Smile

As far as characters, of course, its all up to the individual!

Madda · **10-29-2015, 03:25 PM**

(10-29-2015, 02:28 PM)McBeefâ„¢ Wrote:
(10-29-2015, 02:01 PM)Setoh Aliapoh Wrote: I'm amused by the idea that dancers would by necessity also be prostitutes in any era other than the modern one. I'm more amused by the idea that other professions wouldn't be...

Nat came up with the idea of gladiators also being prostitutes a while ago. The idea makes total sense to me. Some muscular, skilled fighter in a light steel subligar in the fighting pits, body sheened with sweat and blood? They'd attract attention.

In our own history, actors have frequently been associated with prostitution. Why not in Eorzea, too?

Likewise musicians.

Likewise witches and sorceresses. Now there's an interesting idea. "There, sir. I've washed your wounds and aetherically healed them. Would you like a happy ending with that?"
Historically gladiators were absolutely prostitutes.

They were slaves, but sort of like rock stars. The whole City of rome just watched some guy wreck it in the Arena, and then he stands there among the fallen, his rippling muschles covered in blood and sweat.

( side note: the url code and stuff for posting is either too picky or horrible. )

Jana · **10-29-2015, 03:36 PM**

I'd imagine that the common street dancers might be willing to have sex for money, and maybe there are pimps/madames with their turfs in Ul'dah and other cities, but at the same time, I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that being a dancer/gladiator/bar girl or anything similar meant you were also a prostitute.

Caspar · **10-29-2015, 04:30 PM**

(10-29-2015, 02:01 PM)Setoh Aliapoh Wrote: I'm amused by the idea that dancers would by necessity also be prostitutes in any era other than the modern one. I'm more amused by the idea that other professions wouldn't be...

In our own history, actors have frequently been associated with prostitution. Why not in Eorzea, too?

A notable npc in my character's backstory sold his body when not acting in the manner of old kabuki actors. I feel like I'm reaching a bit given we don't know much about Doma though. It fit given the kind of theater background he had, and allowed him the leave to gather info.

Chill Man · **10-29-2015, 11:18 PM**

Dancer job or riot.

K'nahli · **10-29-2015, 11:46 PM**

I can't speak for Ul'dah specifically, but I recall at least a few of NPCs referencing the fact that anything of that nature was "unfavourable" to say the least. I think I recall one or two saying that they'd rather die than stain their soul by pursuing coin through such means. It's a shame that I can't for the life of me remember who actually says this but I think that at least one of them was an Ala Mhigan.

For that reason alone I'd personally contest the idea that it's widely embraced and accepted as "the norm" but unless anyone can back that up(my hazy recollections that is) then remember to take what I say with a grain of salt.

SicketySix · **10-30-2015, 08:56 AM**

(10-29-2015, 11:46 PM)Knahli Wrote: For that reason alone I'd personally contest the idea that it's widely embraced and accepted as "the norm" but unless anyone can back that up(my hazy recollections that is) then remember to take what I say with a grain of salt.

I would think it would be more widely accepted depending on the location. For instance, I view Ul'dah as a scum of a city, there's rundown alleyways and crime all over the place. Though upper class dancers may be present in Ul'dah, I think they would be the exception.

Limsa I would view having the 2nd largest sex worker attendance, with Gridania being the least.

And these are all just my personal opinions.

Ignacius · **10-30-2015, 09:48 AM**

(10-30-2015, 08:56 AM)SicketySix Wrote:
(10-29-2015, 11:46 PM)K Wrote: For that reason alone I'd personally contest the idea that it's widely embraced and accepted as "the norm" but unless anyone can back that up(my hazy recollections that is) then remember to take what I say with a grain of salt.

I would think it would be more widely accepted depending on the location. For instance, I view Ul'dah as a scum of a city, there's rundown alleyways and crime all over the place. Though upper class dancers may be present in Ul'dah, I think they would be the exception.

Limsa I would view having the 2nd largest sex worker attendance, with Gridania being the least.

And these are all just my personal opinions.

And let's all remember that this game is Japanese, and their attitudes towards sex workers is a lot different than that in most of the countries we live in. Â Here in America, prostitution (and even dancing) have historical taboos associated with them. Â Many of the more tight religious sects (the Mennonites being the best example that springs to mind) consider dancing and music outside a religious setting to be encouragement to sin because it might lead to sex (all those bodies pressed together and whatnot).

In Japan, dancing and being sex workers are parts of a long and colorful tradition. Â Whether you agree with it or not (and there are people across the world who are at odds with their respective cultures) a lot of this isn't necessarily as seedy there. Â Being a dancer who engages in sex work is better, culturally, than just being a sex worker, and even then the idea that having a woman's company for the night for pay will lead to sex isn't so firmly ingrained on that culture.

Garalona · **10-30-2015, 10:53 AM**

(10-29-2015, 11:18 PM)Chill Man Wrote: Dancer job or riot.

This. This right here. I want to kill people with the power of dance.

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