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Flynn Rosenberg · **03-15-2016, 08:20 PM**

On the topic of derplander...

Him and the rest of his companions we see in all the CGI trailers are completely different characters to *the* WoL, our PCs. We even see them in an Echo flashback in 3.1, and since then they have turned emoÂ since their encounter with the Ascian. We will soon learn more about them further into the 3.xx series.

Here is proof that Derplander and his companions are different characters to ours.
CGI http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/fina...0411060643

3.1 story http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/fina...1114192944

I really hate stressing this out but they are not you, your character. Your character is the WoL for the Scions and does not have a canon look. Derplander, the mascot, is not your character. Why do they use a hyur male that looks like him in the ingame trailers? Well they need a stand-in for our character, and even then that hyur is not the same hyur as Derplander. Different hair colour, eye colour, a moustache, he is the default look for the male midlander. Many games do this for their ingame videos.

Sorry for being off topic. The point is, Derplander and his companions from the CGI trailers = Different WoLs, not related to ours. They may be like ours, but they're not.

McBeefâ„¢ · **03-15-2016, 08:36 PM**

(03-15-2016, 08:17 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: That would be... fairly awesome, actually. We've used Midlander as the WoL-stand-in for so long that it's assumed, but what if he's not? He was jumped forward at Carteneau with the rest of us, and we just assumed he was the stand-in. The trailers for Coil all featured him, and he's on the box-art.

This is interesting to think about, and plays heavily on the meta.

Well remember, there were lots of 'Warriors of Light' in 1.0

All of the legacy chars were 'one of' the WoL if they took part in the final battle. However /The/ warrior of light in 2.0, the person used as a mascot for the GCs and Scions to bring hope, is just you. But you're not the only one who was transported away that day~

CrimsonMars · **03-15-2016, 08:49 PM**

(03-15-2016, 06:38 PM)Graeham Wrote: Personally I've always found this sort of thing to be one of the most selfish things any role-player can do with their character. Granted, there's nothing stopping anybody from doing it but many role-players will no doubt react poorly to it and seek to distance themselves from whoever embraces such a plot point.

Touching upon any major NPC outside of fan-fiction is dodgy because it essentially places one's character on a pretty lofty pedestal far above many others. Even if one strives to play their character as influential and well connected...that can easily be achieved without claiming to have brushed shoulders with major lore figures.

In my experience it's the sort of thing that just encourages a rather dubious arms race or for a character to be given an unwarranted amount of IC and OOC attention. Again, though, ultimately people can do what they want - they just need to accept that if they take liberties then they'll be called out on those liberties if they're too bold.

I personally don't activity seek out meeting major NPCs just 'cuz unless the scenario calls for it somehow but was mostly thinking along the leans of participating in certain events that the WoL may of happened to be apparent of as well such as:

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Warren Castille · **03-15-2016, 08:54 PM**

There were plenty of people at that event, on both sides. Participating is as tricky as you want it to be; As Freelance mentioned, the in-game representation could just be scaled down, and tons of people could have been there. Otherwise, you'd need to be extremely high ranking in a GC. Taking part in it doesn't mean you ever clashed, though.

Zelmanov · **03-15-2016, 09:18 PM**

It is very hard to interact with THE Â WOL if only because you have to choose a gender, race and appearance that won't mesh with everyone's perceptions of what they think the WOL is. Along with the power creep that comes from being "that important"

However I do say I disagree with staying away from any and all named NPC's. You can be a flame and have to answer to Tarupin's orders. A Dragoon most likely has to write up reports that would be directly addressed to Aymeric. Any Sultansworn could have passing interactions with the Sultana.

What I am trying to get at...if you are part of an organization with military leaders, the moment you play something higher than say a sergeant, Â you have to answer to your named superiors.Â

Orrin may not be Estinien's friend, but he definitely could have been on the same battlefields.

Jana · **03-16-2016, 01:11 AM**

Jana's already fought alongside the WoL.

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It's canon now, so y'all can go home.

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Kellach Woods · **03-16-2016, 11:37 AM**

I don't see a rat tail or else all that bahamut nonsense would have been done and over with.

Momo · **03-16-2016, 11:53 AM**

Momo slept with him at some point, but it was a one-night stand, and he didn't ask his name...so I don't bring it up. Â Just flavor text, you know.

Kellach Woods · **03-16-2016, 12:02 PM**

I think Kell gave him directions in Gridania once. He was stuck repeating the same thing over and over so I guess it was the WoL?

Leanne · **03-16-2016, 12:11 PM**

Having met the WoL or any major NPC is troublesome? In my opinion, no.

Having the chance to interact with them, the world, or having your character perhaps making small contributions, maybe behind-the-scenes even, does not automatically put a character a station above in importance. And even if it does, really, does it matter that one's character is more "important" than yours? You are the one who assigns the degree of importance they may have to the world. You may choose your character to be another measly inhabitant, a bartender, a fisher maybe, or decide they have a higher call and bigger power to influence a little the world one lives in.

Of course, as with everything, it all depends on how one RP'er runs with the theme. Also, as always, it is up to the other RP'er to accept a connection like that or not. You can't force it down to their throat.

But once more, is there an issue? As long as you are sensible about it, to me, not at all.

Edgar · **03-16-2016, 12:13 PM**

(03-16-2016, 12:02 PM)Kellach Woods Wrote: I think Kell gave him directions in Gridania once. He was stuck repeating the same thing over and over so I guess it was the WoL?

The same thing over and over?

Was it "I like swords", by any chance?

Warren Castille · **03-16-2016, 12:22 PM**

(03-16-2016, 12:11 PM)Leanne Wrote: Having met the WoL or any major NPC is troublesome? In my opinion, no.

Having the chance to interact with them, the world, or having your character perhaps making small contributions, maybe behind-the-scenes even, does not automatically put a character a station above in importance. And even if it does, really, does it matter that one's character is more "important" than yours? You are the one who assigns the degree of importance they may have to the world. You may choose your character to be another measly inhabitant, a bartender, a fisher maybe, or decide they have a higher call and bigger power to influence a little the world one lives in.

Of course, as with everything, it all depends on how one RP'er runs with the theme. Also, as always, it is up to the other RP'er to accept a connection like that or not. You can't force it down to their throat.

But once more, is there an issue? As long as you are sensible about it, to me, not at all.

It's an example of the folks residing at the extreme ends of the opinions being the loudest parts. Having GC leaders or powerful allies on speed-dial or on a first-name basis can potentially derail roleplay unnecessarily. Show of hands, how many people have ever had someone threaten them with NPC Brass Blades / law enforcement / personal GC NPCs / my dad works at Raubahn so you have to listen to me?

Probably not a lot, but we've all heard the stories of the person declaring themselves important and using it in the middle of a scene, or of floods of invisible guards suddenly stopping tension. There's a lot of people -not- doing just this, but the few who do tend to ruin it for everyone else.

Val · **03-16-2016, 12:58 PM**

(03-16-2016, 12:22 PM)Warren Castille Wrote:
(03-16-2016, 12:11 PM)Leanne Wrote: Having met the WoL or any major NPC is troublesome? In my opinion, no.

Having the chance to interact with them, the world, or having your character perhaps making small contributions, maybe behind-the-scenes even, does not automatically put a character a station above in importance. And even if it does, really, does it matter that one's character is more "important" than yours? You are the one who assigns the degree of importance they may have to the world. You may choose your character to be another measly inhabitant, a bartender, a fisher maybe, or decide they have a higher call and bigger power to influence a little the world one lives in.

Of course, as with everything, it all depends on how one RP'er runs with the theme. Also, as always, it is up to the other RP'er to accept a connection like that or not. You can't force it down to their throat.

But once more, is there an issue? As long as you are sensible about it, to me, not at all.

It's an example of the folks residing at the extreme ends of the opinions being the loudest parts. Having GC leaders or powerful allies on speed-dial or on a first-name basis can potentially derail roleplay unnecessarily. Show of hands, how many people have ever had someone threaten them with NPC Brass Blades / law enforcement / personal GC NPCs / my dad works at Raubahn so you have to listen to me?

Probably not a lot, but we've all heard the stories of the person declaring themselves important and using it in the middle of a scene, or of floods of invisible guards suddenly stopping tension. There's a lot of people -not- doing just this, but the few who do tend to ruin it for everyone else.

I know someone that actively RPs their character as best friends with Merlwyb. As in, they got hurt and Merlwyb was pushing them around Limsa in a wheelchair.

Val · **03-16-2016, 01:03 PM**

(03-16-2016, 12:11 PM)Leanne Wrote: Having met the WoL or any major NPC is troublesome? In my opinion, no.

Having the chance to interact with them, the world, or having your character perhaps making small contributions, maybe behind-the-scenes even, does not automatically put a character a station above in importance. And even if it does, really, does it matter that one's character is more "important" than yours? You are the one who assigns the degree of importance they may have to the world. You may choose your character to be another measly inhabitant, a bartender, a fisher maybe, or decide they have a higher call and bigger power to influence a little the world one lives in.

Of course, as with everything, it all depends on how one RP'er runs with the theme. Also, as always, it is up to the other RP'er to accept a connection like that or not. You can't force it down to their throat.

But once more, is there an issue? As long as you are sensible about it, to me, not at all.

I don't really see this argument as altogether conducive. Yeah, it's something people canÂ do, but shouldÂ they? You could say "you make that choice" to pretty much anything to justify it, but it doesn't make it necessarily justifiable. Yeah, you could RP your character in XIV shooting kamehameha-like chi beams and doing limit breaks because, hey, it's in the game. But should you?

Last I recall someone using an IC limit break, they got laughed at. This same argument should, then, be applied to them.

Aaron · **03-16-2016, 01:20 PM**

Care Limit Breaks like Canon or are they just a game mechanic? I never got a conclusive answer on that in game.

Even then, one could view a LB as just a fancy move. Doesn't have to be a Bahamut slaying attack.

But I digress, my view on it is if you want to say Thancred is your boyfriend go ahead, not like Aaron would care anyway IC.

Lotta people confuse capacity to care versus actually caring. Sure I can say no you are not Thancreds lover IC, but will that do anything even if you are to me? No. So why care?

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