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TheLastCandle · **10-14-2014, 03:33 PM**

(10-14-2014, 03:24 PM)Tiergan Wrote: I remember there actually being a quest in 1.0 where you got see your character take a pistol and shoot at a practice target. Wasn't there a musketeer guild back then too? The Knights of the Barracuda? My memories are super fuzzy about it.

Yeah, the Musketeer's Guild was on the map and everything. I remember the cutscene in question, too. At the time, I was like: @_@ Can.. Can I keep it? (Nope.)

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Here's the guild marked on the old map:

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Ahem, but yeah. At the time, the Musketeer's Guild was located in Coral Tower; the Marauders' Guild was located on a ship.

Seriphyn · **10-14-2014, 03:35 PM**

Look behind the front desk at Maelstrom HQ, too. Rifles/muskets.

Hiro · **10-14-2014, 03:36 PM**

(10-14-2014, 03:27 PM)Coatleque Wrote: Also, keep in mind the Garlean's use gun-blades. Â Emphasis on blades. Â Even if it is a more advanced gun at the hilt, it probably has 1-6 shots max, is not easy to reload on the fly, and infers that the main method of fighting is still hand-to-hand.

At the battle of Carteneau in the End of an Era video, you see the majority of the Garlean forces charging in with a mixture of sword and shield, axe, and spear. Â At the 1:58 mark, you see a few of them firing the gun-blade one shot at a time, three rounds before the video cuts away. Â This is where I get my 1-6 shot number from.

The 3D renders I have for Gaius' Gunblade show a 6 shot revolver. As do the Garlean Infantry weapons. Most of the designs show an internalized revolver firing mechanism which is where I imagine their weapons to be firing late breech loaded paper or metallic cartridges reminiscent of firearms technology of the late 1860's. A skilled hand could load six shots quite easily but certainly not fast enough to enable automatic fire or anything of the sort but 6 in a revolver (at the range) is about 10-15 seconds for me, personally; under pressure probably a lot more but... just as a frame of reference.

FreelanceWizard · **10-14-2014, 03:41 PM**

From Copperbell story mode, we also know that the equivalent to gunpowder in Eorzea is called "firesand." I seem to recall that being mentioned again in a leve or FATE somewhere.

I presume Garlean weapons operate using ceruleum, which being liquid suggests a number of different possible firing mechanisms. Since we know a little bit about how Reaper armor works (power comes from the core, which runs on ceruleum, to power the main magitek cannon; overloading the core can produce a bigger blast, but is likely to destroy the core), it may be that Garlean energy weapons are fairly restrictive in size, and that's why the gunblades have that revolver look instead of just being lightsabers or what have you.

Or maybe gunblades just look cool and we can't derive anything else from that. Smile

Also, is that lalafell shooting with a side grip? Aaaaaugh. Smile

Melkire · **10-14-2014, 03:42 PM**

The musketeer's guild certainly exists, even if we as PCs can't join it yet. Firearms exist and, if theyÂ aren't prominent, they are at least presentÂ in numbersÂ in Limsa Lominsa. Given that,Â it wouldn't be any sort of a stretch to suggest that someÂ areÂ smuggled underground and distributed throughÂ black markets.

I can see Otto possessing a pistol. It wouldn't be anything small like a snub revolver, but he could probably conceal it withinÂ the folds of that glorious pink coat.

Kage · **10-14-2014, 03:42 PM**

Gaius is a really quick hand at reloading his gunblade Sad

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Edit: Oh wait nope he just likes to shoot more from his wrist than his waist.

Hiro · **10-14-2014, 03:47 PM**

(10-14-2014, 03:42 PM)Kage Wrote: Gaius is a really quick hand at reloading his gunblade

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@6:10
Edit: Oh wait nope he just likes to shoot more from his wrist than his waist.

No, you're right, watch further into the fight, he fires over 10 rounds in the span of a few seconds... I remember screaming about it as a gun-guy and then getting over it as soon as I remembered: Magitek Bullshit.

Coatleque · **10-14-2014, 03:47 PM**

(10-14-2014, 03:41 PM)FreelanceWizard Wrote: Also, is that lalafell shooting with a side grip? Aaaaaugh.

Kill shot... HE'S GOING FOR A KILL SHOT!
*scramble*

Melkire · **10-14-2014, 03:57 PM**

(10-14-2014, 03:36 PM)Hiro Wrote: A skilled hand could load six shots quite easily but certainly not fast enough to enable automatic fire or anything of the sort but 6 in a revolver (at the range) is about 10-15 seconds for me, personally; under pressure probably a lot more but... just as a frame of reference.

Maybe the Garleans have speedloaders?

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Coatleque · **10-14-2014, 04:00 PM**

Didn't Half-Life 2 have that for the revolver? I like the Half-Life 1 style better where he just crams a handful of bullets into the chamber and miraculously six of them line up correctly Big Grin

Oscare · **10-14-2014, 04:01 PM**

Oscare's main weapons are bows and guns, and if there's gunblades, the possibility of rifles (I'd say bolt-action, not semi-automatic) and muskets is definitely possible. There are also several references to pistols being in the game, the best one is Merylwyb who flatly uses flintlock pistols.
So yeah, they're definitely there. And it's surprising to see that not a lot of people use guns and I would like to see more gunners about! Someone's gotta give Oscare SOME competition!

However, on the subject of this -- I've been pondering. What are the possibility of flamethrowers and grenade launchers? Grenade launchers is kind of a stretch in my mind, but I feel like it might work within the proper context, as there ARE grenades in Eorzea (several quests flatly give you them to complete the quest). And flamethrower was kind of a cool idea. Fire shards/crystals/clusters are involved, so if you connect the gun to the shard in some sort of aetherical manner, wouldn't it be within possibility? Normal flamethrowers use gas, but you know. This is a fantasy game, there are different alternatives and resources.

Any input on this?

Melkire · **10-14-2014, 04:03 PM**

Coatleque Wrote: Didn't Half-Life 2 have that for the revolver? I like the Half-Life 1 style better where he just crams a handful of bullets into the chamber and miraculously six of them line up correctly

My favorite reload animation is still Doom 2 Super Shotgun where he just shoves two shells in the chambers with one very taut fist.

(10-14-2014, 04:01 PM)Oscare Wrote: Oscare's main weapons are bows and guns, and if there's gunblades, the possibility of rifles (I'd say bolt-action, not semi-automatic) and muskets is definitely possible. There are also several references to pistols being in the game, the best one is Merylwyb who flatly uses flintlock pistols.
So yeah, they're definitely there. And it's surprising to see that not a lot of people use guns and I would like to see more gunners about! Someone's gotta give Oscare SOME competition!

However, on the subject of this -- I've been pondering. What are the possibility of flamethrowers and grenade launchers? Grenade launchers is kind of a stretch in my mind, but I feel like it might work within the proper context, as there ARE grenades in Eorzea (several quests flatly give you them to complete the quest). And flamethrower was kind of a cool idea. Fire shards/crystals/clusters are involved, so if you connect the gun to the shard in some sort of aetherical manner, wouldn't it be within possibility? Normal flamethrowers use gas, but you know. This is a fantasy game, there are different alternatives and resources.

Any input on this?

Quit giving Askier ideas, damn it.

Oscare · **10-14-2014, 04:06 PM**

IT WAS MY IDEA FIRST.

THIS IS WHY ME AND ASKIER CAN'T HAVE FUN

JUST GIVE US OUR GUNS PLS DON'T BE SUCH A SPOIL SPORT, OSRIC. FIRST YOU DON'T MARRY ME AND NOW YOU'RE RESTRICTING MY RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS

Melkire · **10-14-2014, 04:07 PM**

(10-14-2014, 04:06 PM)Oscare Wrote: IT WAS MY IDEA FIRST.

THIS IS WHY ME AND ASKIER CAN'T HAVE FUN

JUST GIVE US OUR GUNS PLS DON'T BE SUCH A SPOIL SPORT, OSRIC. FIRST YOU DON'T MARRY ME AND NOW YOU'RE RESTRICTING MY RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS

Hiro · **10-14-2014, 04:08 PM**

(10-14-2014, 04:01 PM)Oscare Wrote: Oscare's main weapons are bows and guns, and if there's gunblades, the possibility of rifles (I'd say bolt-action, not semi-automatic) and muskets is definitely possible. There are also several references to pistols being in the game, the best one is Merylwyb who flatly uses flintlock pistols.
So yeah, they're definitely there. And it's surprising to see that not a lot of people use guns and I would like to see more gunners about! Someone's gotta give Oscare SOME competition!

However, on the subject of this -- I've been pondering. What are the possibility of flamethrowers and grenade launchers? Grenade launchers is kind of a stretch in my mind, but I feel like it might work within the proper context, as there ARE grenades in Eorzea (several quests flatly give you them to complete the quest). And flamethrower was kind of a cool idea. Fire shards/crystals/clusters are involved, so if you connect the gun to the shard in some sort of aetherical manner, wouldn't it be within possibility? Normal flamethrowers use gas, but you know. This is a fantasy game, there are different alternatives and resources.

Any input on this?

Militarized/Early Flamethrowers utilized a spray of flamable liquid. I'm sure there are several liquids that you can use for it, and with alchemy being a thing it's entirely feasible. Keep in mind the amount you'd need to for a sustained use though given the heat and rate of deterioration.

Flamethrowers are brutal, brutal weapons. Those who used the ones first designed for war before they were listed as an inhumane means of warfare have some terrible descriptions and, it seems some of the worst traumatic experiences from it.

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