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Dogberry · **11-15-2014, 02:17 AM**

A lot of people joined in the conversation without the need to bring up their own parts. That's all I'm saying.

But if making an off-hand comment and standing by it when you pearl clutch over the audacity to call out something you said is focusing on you, then sure, I'm focusing on you.

Faye · **11-15-2014, 02:24 AM**

(11-15-2014, 02:17 AM)Dogberry Wrote: A lot of people joined in the conversation without the need to bring up their own parts. That's all I'm saying.

But if making an off-hand comment and standing by it when you pearl clutch over the audacity to call out something you said is focusing on you, then sure, I'm focusing on you.

Yeah, how dare women have breasts, raunchy. How dare anyone mention breasts in a thread where the initial post addresses pregnancy, birth, nipples, and genitals. So off-topic, so attention-seeking.Â Rolleyes

Â You can keep on, but I've had my share of misogyny for the night and don't feel like helping you derail this thread any further.

Amelia · **11-15-2014, 02:33 AM**

(11-15-2014, 02:17 AM)Dogberry Wrote: A lot of people joined in the conversation without the need to bring up their own parts. That's all I'm saying.

But if making an off-hand comment and standing by it when you pearl clutch over the audacity to call out something you said is focusing on you, then sure, I'm focusing on you.

Dude... This is someone else's thread. I think at this point if you want to continue insulting and passive aggressively bullying someone, you should at least have the decency to take it into a private chat.

There is no reason you should have a condescending discussion in someone else's thread that they made just for fun and continue onward trying to humiliate that person.

Faye's comment was on topic. You jumping down her throat knocked it completely off into some sort of passive aggressive flame war.

I think you need to tone it down and/or take it to private chat.

Edgar · **11-15-2014, 02:52 AM**

Speaking of tits, will everyone please calm theirs before Freelance has to put on the hat?

Drifter · **11-15-2014, 03:45 AM**

My only comment which may or may not have been said is that, All races in game have belly buttons. Therefore they are live births with an umbilical cord. As such they much be mammals.

Jana · **11-15-2014, 04:08 AM**

Silly boys!

Dogberry · **11-15-2014, 07:59 AM**

(11-15-2014, 02:24 AM)Faye Wrote:
(11-15-2014, 02:17 AM)Dogberry Wrote: A lot of people joined in the conversation without the need to bring up their own parts. That's all I'm saying.

But if making an off-hand comment and standing by it when you pearl clutch over the audacity to call out something you said is focusing on you, then sure, I'm focusing on you.

Yeah, how dare women have breasts, raunchy. How dare anyone mention breasts in a thread where the initial post addresses pregnancy, birth, nipples, and genitals. So off-topic, so attention-seeking.Â Â You can keep on, but I've had my share of misogyny for the night and don't feel like helping you derail this thread any further.

LOL OK, yeah, misogyny, sure. This was a topic about breast in general. Next time there's a topic about testicles I'll give you all a good description of mine, then.

Aldotsk · **11-15-2014, 10:13 AM**

I am not sure how pregnancy went to nipple disturbance but this is surely getting to the point of derail.

Please stop the argument, I know boobies are serious business.

If anyone feels disturbed about their boobies ICly not being beautiful, hire a Blue Mage. Blue Mages can learn the ability to make boobies big or small, with the size of H cup even if you are a Lalafell.

Erik Mynhier · **11-15-2014, 11:45 AM**

(11-15-2014, 10:13 AM)Aldotsk Wrote: I am not sure how pregnancy went to nipple disturbance but this is surely getting to the point of derail.

Please stop the argument, I know boobies are serious business.

If anyone feels disturbed about their boobies ICly not being beautiful, hire a Blue Mage. Blue Mages can learn the ability to make boobies big or small, with the size of H cup even if you are a Lalafell.

Yangh... I think Aldotsk just came up with a business for you. You'll make a mint... you may wanna cut him in on the business to be fair.

Mae · **11-15-2014, 12:22 PM**

Just wandering through, and wondering what graphics setting people are using to actually see traces of nipple on their characters, cause I don't. Granted, I play mine on a lower setting to help with lag (I'm on a mobile connection).

Also, Garuda has breasts. Does that make Garuda a mammal?Â

Generally speaking as a species, humans are wired with a breasts = female response. We don't have natural plumage/colour/pattern variants that separate the sexes, and our sense of smell is lacking for us to (regularly) home on on pheromones. We therefore rely (subconsciously) on what we see for a physical build as first indicator to another human's sex. Go do an internet search for anthropomorphic art, you're bound to find dragons, cars, snakes, lizards, and turtles that have breasts of some degree to emphasize that they're female.

We're given (mostly) human-like avatars with the dev's expectations that vast majority of us are going to customize into something we personally find attractive. This includes fairly normal breasts (the dev's could've gone and given Miqo'te a double-row of them going down their torsos like a feline, because why not? They've already given feline ears and tails to a humanoid) because of wired responses. Are we mammals in-game? More than likely, but it's something that we are taking for granted because SE has given us no reason to think otherwise.Â

As for the bellybutton issue...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMF1-Qd1zGE
Watch from 8:37 to 8:47.

FreelanceWizard · **11-15-2014, 12:51 PM**

Yes, please stay on topic (or, at least, on what the topic has turned into Smile

). I don't want to put on the hat. Cry

In terms of graphics settings, I play on a slightly modified version of Maximum (reflections and shadows turned down with occlusion culling on) and the only nipple-ish things I see on L'yhta look like artifacts of the character model. Depending on the angle, when she's wearing the Hempen Camise, there's a few vertices that, um, "pop out" and could be interpreted as nipples, but after looking closely, I really think it's just due to a low poly count. In the Cascadier top, I don't see anything that could be charitably described as nipply.

Garuda is an interesting topic. To Mae's point about anthropomorphic art, and given what we know about Primals (they're given form by the prayers, wishes, and Aether of their worshippers), I'd argue that when a Primal like Garuda does have breasts, it's because they're there to establish sex and, perhaps, because the Primal desires to appear as what it considers attractive. In short, the Primal's form is a sort of art and not indicative of an underlying biology. I mean, after all, Primals are just congealed constructs of Aether. Smile

Aldotsk · **11-15-2014, 01:06 PM**

Funny you say that Freelancer because long time ago in FFXIV forum, there was like a discussion that primals aren't really gender based but they are viewed as unisex type created from Aether; and that the primals are viewed by mortals as an "illusion" of how we'd view and imagine them. Like Garuda for example. To our view and beast men's view , it'd be viewed as a female with breasts but in truth, it's just an asexual Aether being.

Faye · **11-15-2014, 03:56 PM**

(11-15-2014, 12:51 PM)FreelanceWizard Wrote: Garuda is an interesting topic. To Mae's point about anthropomorphic art, and given what we know about Primals (they're given form by the prayers, wishes, and Aether of their worshippers), I'd argue that when a Primal like Garuda does have breasts, it's because they're there to establish sex and, perhaps, because the Primal desires to appear as what it considers attractive. In short, the Primal's form is a sort of art and not indicative of an underlying biology. I mean, after all, Primals are just congealed constructs of Aether.

That's how I assumed it. Garuda has breasts not for reproductive purposes, but because it's just the form she was given or has taken (since Primals have no actual bodies) and likely to show her as feminine, and also perhaps as fertile, alluring, etc.

Mae · **11-15-2014, 04:36 PM**

I brought up Garuda because of an earlier statement of "If that were the case, female characters wouldn't haveÂ breastsÂ at all. Â Breasts exist solely for the purpose of producing milk for babies"Â that was echo'd a few times. We're a species that's hard-wired to equal breasts with femininity, regardless if something is a mammal or not. Â I know Garuda's an asexual being, I was trying to point out the flawed logic of "breasts = mammal" in a fantasy setting, not trying to insinuate that Garuda -was- a mammal.

If Devs weren't appealing to our human-mammalian sensibilities first, Garuda's appearance would have been designed to be appealing to her Beastmen and that likely would've resulted in something MUCH more Ixal-like.

Ilwe'ran · **11-15-2014, 04:49 PM**

(11-15-2014, 04:36 PM)Mae Wrote: I brought up Garuda because of an earlier statement of "If that were the case, female characters wouldn't haveÂ breastsÂ at all. Â Breasts exist solely for the purpose of producing milk for babies"Â that was echo'd a few times. We're a species that's hard-wired to equal breasts with femininity, regardless if something is a mammal or not. Â I know Garuda's an asexual being, I was trying to point out the flawed logic of "breasts = mammal" in a fantasy setting, not trying to insinuate that Garuda -was- a mammal.

And what about whales ? They are mammals and don't have breasts.. Unless..

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Any mention of pregnancy or birthgiving in-game? Are we even sure we are mammals?

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