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K'nahli · **02-10-2015, 01:48 PM**

(02-10-2015, 01:45 PM)Desu Nee Wrote: I'm just reading this and learning since I made a Keeper alt that will possibly be from a mixed tribe.

Seriously, hypocrital as fuck I am.

Hypocritical?

Gegenji · **02-10-2015, 01:57 PM**

(02-10-2015, 01:48 PM)K'nahli Wrote:
(02-10-2015, 01:45 PM)Desu Nee Wrote: I'm just reading this and learning since I made a Keeper alt that will possibly be from a mixed tribe.

Seriously, hypocrital as fuck I am.

Hypocritical?

Desu made a couple posts in these sorts of threads about not getting, or being very interested in, tribal cultures like the Miqo'te. The fact that she has a Keeper alt and planning to make her own tribe would certainly seem like quite the 180, don't you agree?

... Also, still thinking about that Cactaur "business" Seeker tribe. I only just got started on my goofball Judge alt, I can't be thinking about ANOTHER alt already. Blush

Desu Nee · **02-10-2015, 01:58 PM**

Oh, because I said earlier that I wouldn't ever make a Miq'ote because I dislike tribal concepts.

Then Balmung opened and I made 3 alts. One of them is a Keeper I will use Fantasia later to tweak better, and she's a Keeper. Since I didn't like the Keeper lore and I like making stuff, I do plan on making a mixed tribe, since I did heard from the lore ( Don't ask, I don't remember ) that those case exists and it makes their offspring naming complicated.

SO, I'm not only making a Miq'ote. I'm making a tribe. Going completely against what I said :U

K'nahli · **02-10-2015, 02:01 PM**

Ahh! I remember that now actually. Sorry for the confusion, haha.

@Gegenji
Well do keep us updated please! I'd like to hear how it goes ^^

V'aleera · **02-10-2015, 02:11 PM**

(02-10-2015, 01:12 PM)Gegenji Wrote: If you had a sickly female born that grew up to be little more than another mouth to feed and nothing to give back to the tribe, however, I could certainly see them being considered not worthy to bear the Nunh's children. The resulting offspring may carry the strengths of the Nunh, but they may equally be weakened by the weaknesses in this particular female. Heck, in a more primitive/hard-pressed tribe, I could even see her being cast out and left to fend for herself (or die).

The only problem I have with this line of speculation is that it's not addressed in the lore outside the game and the only in-game lore actually contradicts it: one of the main questlines for the U tribe/Forgotten Springs area is about a female Seeker who is clearly just terrible at being a huntress. But rather than denigrate her for her failures, she's constantly assisted and encouraged and eventually guided toward a path that is more becoming of her skills.

Gegenji · **02-10-2015, 02:17 PM**

(02-10-2015, 02:11 PM)Intaki Wrote:
(02-10-2015, 01:12 PM)Gegenji Wrote: If you had a sickly female born that grew up to be little more than another mouth to feed and nothing to give back to the tribe, however, I could certainly see them being considered not worthy to bear the Nunh's children. The resulting offspring may carry the strengths of the Nunh, but they may equally be weakened by the weaknesses in this particular female. Heck, in a more primitive/hard-pressed tribe, I could even see her being cast out and left to fend for herself (or die).
The only problem I have with this line of speculation is that it's not addressed in the lore outside the game and the only in-game lore actually contradicts it: one of the main questlines for the U tribe/Forgotten Springs area is about a female Seeker who is clearly just terrible at being a huntress. But rather than denigrate her for her failures, she's constantly assisted and encouraged and eventually guided toward a path that is more becoming of her skills.

Right, more fitting of her skills. She's bad at being a huntress, but she may still have a use - maybe as a shaman if she has the talent, or a firedancer, or even just a cook or someone who watches over the children. Waste not, want not and all that. The individual in my example is someone who is, for lack of a kinder term, simply dead weight with no possible way to aid their tribe.

I would certainly expect for a tribe to try and find a place for one of their own if possible before tossing them to the sandworms.

(02-10-2015, 02:01 PM)K'nahli Wrote: @Gegenji
Well do keep us updated please! I'd like to hear how it goes ^^

Haha, if I do go with it, I'll probably mention it here. I'd definitely want other folks to help make it a full-fledged tribe. Blush

Desu Nee · **02-10-2015, 02:19 PM**

(02-10-2015, 02:17 PM)Gegenji Wrote:
(02-10-2015, 02:11 PM)Intaki Wrote:
(02-10-2015, 01:12 PM)Gegenji Wrote: If you had a sickly female born that grew up to be little more than another mouth to feed and nothing to give back to the tribe, however, I could certainly see them being considered not worthy to bear the Nunh's children. The resulting offspring may carry the strengths of the Nunh, but they may equally be weakened by the weaknesses in this particular female. Heck, in a more primitive/hard-pressed tribe, I could even see her being cast out and left to fend for herself (or die).
The only problem I have with this line of speculation is that it's not addressed in the lore outside the game and the only in-game lore actually contradicts it: one of the main questlines for the U tribe/Forgotten Springs area is about a female Seeker who is clearly just terrible at being a huntress. But rather than denigrate her for her failures, she's constantly assisted and encouraged and eventually guided toward a path that is more becoming of her skills.

Right, more fitting of her skills. She's bad at being a huntress, but she may still have a use - maybe as a shaman if she has the talent, or a firedancer, or even just a cook or someone who watches over the children. Waste not, want not and all that. The individual in my example is someone who is, for lack of a kinder term, simply dead weight with no possible way to aid their tribe.

I would certainly expect for a tribe to try and find a place for one of their own if possible before tossing them to the sandworms.

(02-10-2015, 02:01 PM)K'nahli Wrote: @Gegenji
Well do keep us updated please! I'd like to hear how it goes ^^

Haha, if I do go with it, I'll probably mention it here. I'd definitely want other folks to help make it a full-fledged tribe.

Count me in. Not like I have anything better to do with my Miq'ote Alt on stand-by :>

Gegenji · **02-10-2015, 03:03 PM**

(02-10-2015, 02:19 PM)Desu Nee Wrote:
(02-10-2015, 02:17 PM)Gegenji Wrote:
(02-10-2015, 02:01 PM)K'nahli Wrote: @Gegenji
Well do keep us updated please! I'd like to hear how it goes ^^

Haha, if I do go with it, I'll probably mention it here. I'd definitely want other folks to help make it a full-fledged tribe.
Count me in. Not like I have anything better to do with my Miq'ote Alt on stand-by :>

Maaaan. Now you guys got me really thinking about it and even trying to think of what the Le'tter combination would be.

I'm currently thinking Cc' since it's unlikely to be in use by some other tribe, and can easily be linked to "cactuar." Downside is... it totally makes me want to name its Nunh "Cc'Chingh." Yes, like a cash register noise. Or Ct', which would result in some manner of name like "Ct'Chocula Nunh." I am a terrible person, you see.

Well, time to add them to the list of my other joke Miqo'te names like Whyl'li Coyote and G'Ettin Nunh, and try to think of something more respectable. Laugh

suncitycat · **02-11-2015, 04:33 AM**

Just gonna slip on in here and try to join the discussion of what ifs.

After the quests in Forbidden Springs, the backstory I had for my character's mother wasn't going to hold much water anymore. I've been pondering for a bit, but pretty much the only thing I've been able to conjure up is hereditary disorders being the reason why the tribal nunh wouldn't mate with her (and why the leaders threw their noses up). Sooo then that got me thinking how Seekers would actually deal with something along those lines. Do the tribe leaders keep some kind of health record so they can catch unwanted traits or diseases? Do they throw the carriers of these out to the sandworms or simply let them live as much a life as possible? There's just so much of the inner workings I'd like to learn more of.

Also, Li'ur always brings up he was never raised in the tribal lifestyle whenever the nunh title gets pointed out during introductions. He's just 'honoring' his dead mama.

V'aleera · **02-11-2015, 02:20 PM**

I'm personally of the opinion that a Nunh is in no position to refuse a woman that comes to him to mate; his purpose is to provide the best genes, not to make judgements on the quality of the women that demand he perform his role. If anything like a "breeding restriction" were to occur I believe it would come down from the tribe's leadership.

suncitycat · **02-11-2015, 10:26 PM**

Hence why I put in parenthesis that the tribal leaders didn't do anything about it since I agree they would be the ones to decide breeding restrictions. Depending on the size of the tribe and amount of resources, I'd assume restrictions aren't that uncommon among some, especially post calamity where even things such as climate got screwed up.

But I'm not asking if a Nunh should be able to turn up his nose at a mate because he simply doesn't like them. I'm fishing for opinions and thoughts on how a traditional seeker tribe might handle genetic or hereditary diseases/disorders. If the Nunh is there to help provide healthy offspring why should he mate with someone whose ancestors had health issues that were certainly not caused by sickness or injury?

K'nahli · **02-11-2015, 10:49 PM**

(02-11-2015, 10:26 PM)suncitycat Wrote: Hence why I put in parenthesis that the tribal leaders didn't do anything about it since I agree they would be the ones to decide breeding restrictions. Depending on the size of the tribe and amount of resources, I'd assume restrictions aren't that uncommon among some, especially post calamity where even things such as climate got screwed up.

But I'm not asking if a Nunh should be able to turn up his nose at a mate because he simply doesn't like them. I'm fishing for opinions and thoughts on how a traditional seeker tribe might handle genetic or hereditary diseases/disorders. If the Nunh is there to help provide healthy offspring why should he mate with someone whose ancestors had health issues that were certainly not caused by sickness or injury?

I don't know... even if it were a situation where the tribe was smaller and considered one, big family then I have my doubts that the elders would see it as a wise course of action. I believe that they'd discourage it/forbid it... depending on how harsh you want to word it.

If you are looking for an excuse however, then you could imagine that the elders were more lenient(at least at the time) and that perhaps the mother insisted that she would do everything in her power to increase the amount of food brought in to the tribe or divide her own share among her child should it prove to be weak and a waste of precious resources.

On the note of nunhs and who they mate with(even though it wasn't part of your question), our tribe treats those exchanges as something that must be agreed upon mutually. Basically, if it comes time that the elders decide a female or more should bear offspring, then a nunh may be asked to find a mate but no-one would actually be specified, he does have his own free will too, of course. On a related note, females can't just decide to have kids either... not without the elders consent at least(or so I believe). Doing so takes them out of the hunting scene for quite some time and it may not even be seen as a priority to bring in more people.

Having said that, in cases of emergencies where the populations is at risk then I'm sure he and perhaps any capable female(who didn't like him in particular but wanted kids) would be told to suck it up and just get it over with.

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