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Edgar · **03-04-2015, 01:46 PM**

(03-04-2015, 12:33 PM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote:
(03-04-2015, 12:11 PM)K Wrote:
(03-04-2015, 12:01 AM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote: You know, the AF1 is also just worn-out AF2. So they could be wearing AF2 because that's what it was intended to look like.

And it's even said in the Relic Reborn quest. Our relics are all replicas.

I think he just meant that our replica Curtanas were made to look like the real deal through a lot of hardship whereas these decorative ones didn't go past the basics assuming they used similar methods, for obvious reasons.

Also, is AF1 really a worn-out AF2? It seems odd that the Sultansworn would wear something that gave them a "dishevelled" appearance.

At least from the WHM quests, yes. ...you basically get super-hand-me-downs.

SCH and SMN I believe, are made from old designs meant to resemble the originals.

MNK is literally hand-me-downs, as you get the shirt off what's-his-name's back.

WAR is hand-me-downs.

I have no finished DRG, BRD and NIN, and am unable to answer those.

This leaves PLD, which....could be debatable. It could just be that coloring has changed from Thorne to Ul dynasties, as shiny armor wouldn't stay that shiny/consistent if it were all hand-me-downs. It does still lend to the idea that AF1 is old/based off "originals", although -our- AF2 armors would be considered remakes of originals.

But now, if we consider that the AF2 tokens drop in dungeons, that could add another layer of complexity I'll just call a game mechanic.

Actually, the SMN AF is excavated from Saint Conach's Find. So, really bloody old hand-me-downs.

Kage · **03-04-2015, 02:05 PM**

I would just say they've seen some times.

I mean really, we're all wearing some hand me down or old shit unless we crafted it ourselves or it's Rowena stuff.

Allagan stuff? Old as shit.
WoD? ... Possible it's not old.
LotA? OLD
ST? OLD
Antique gear? ANTIQUES

**Unnamed Mercenary** · **03-04-2015, 02:19 PM**

(03-04-2015, 01:35 PM)Melkire Wrote:

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postOn-topic, I'm assuming all three recreations are using the unfinished Curtana because it's easier for Rowena and Gerolt to reproduce than an actual relic, far easier than trying to recreate Joyeuse and Durandal from nothing, and more authentic than just using your everyday average sword.

(03-04-2015, 12:57 PM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote: Because AF2 is easier than AF+1. ...and for newer players it's "i90 token gear I get from some dungeons in Hard Mode Duty Roulette". Myth tomes are but a myth to the newbies. :p

"Token gear", then. "Antique gear". Anything would be infinitely better than AF2, because this...

...isn't this:

(03-04-2015, 01:00 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: FFXI babies.

Source: I'm an FFXI baby

You had your day.

Of course we know it's not AF2. ...but it's basically nitpicking a name. A bad choice of words because the "unofficial" designation is more common than the "official" designation.

Sounsyy · **03-04-2015, 02:40 PM**

(03-04-2015, 02:05 PM)Kage Wrote: I would just say they've seen some times.

I mean really, we're all wearing some hand me down or old shit unless we crafted it ourselves or it's Rowena stuff.

Allagan stuff? Old as shit.
WoD? ... Possible it's not old.
LotA? OLD
ST? OLD
Antique gear? ANTIQUES

In my own headcanon, all the drops we get are re-tailored, but modern versions inspired by whatever instance we return from. Like Coil, enough adventurers brought tattered remains of old Allagan clothing so that tailors got an idea of what it might have looked like and made it. And now because everyone is obsessed with everything Allagan, it's highly fashionable. And like WoD? I mean... it's not like demons and voidsent wear clothes. So just inspired pieces.

Cuz... a silk robe isn't gonna survive 5,000 years through earthquakes, great floods, freezes, and what all and still be wearable. The damn thing would just disintegrate in your hands if you picked it up.

Also that said, WTF Eorzeans have no sense of history. No wonder the Sharlayans left in a huff. I mean, we dig up some 5,000 year old piece of history and wear it to battle or we destroy it (thank you desynth). Sharlayans are all probably screaming:
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[Image: 92040-that-belongs-in-a-museum-gif-I-AhR4.gif]

Kage · **03-04-2015, 02:45 PM**

Allagan technology yo.

That's been my (5 minute) headcanon.

**Unnamed Mercenary** · **03-04-2015, 02:46 PM**

(03-04-2015, 02:40 PM)Sounsyy Wrote:
(03-04-2015, 02:05 PM)Kage Wrote: I would just say they've seen some times.

I mean really, we're all wearing some hand me down or old shit unless we crafted it ourselves or it's Rowena stuff.

Allagan stuff? Old as shit.
WoD? ... Possible it's not old.
LotA? OLD
ST? OLD
Antique gear? ANTIQUES

In my own headcanon, all the drops we get are re-tailored, but modern versions inspired by whatever instance we return from. Like Coil, enough adventurers brought tattered remains of old Allagan clothing so that tailors got an idea of what it might have looked like and made it. And now because everyone is obsessed with everything Allagan, it's highly fashionable. And like WoD? I mean... it's not like demons and voidsent wear clothes. So just inspired pieces.

Cuz... a silk robe isn't gonna survive 5,000 years through earthquakes, great floods, freezes, and what all and still be wearable. The damn thing would just disintegrate in your hands if you picked it up.

Also that said, WTF Eorzeans have no sense of history. No wonder the Sharlayans left in a huff. I mean, we dig up some 5,000 year old piece of history and wear it to battle or we destroy it (thank you desynth). Sharlayans are all probably screaming:

headcanon: aetherical clothes don't get the same wear and tear. ...which is how we fix them with aether.

Caspar · **03-04-2015, 03:04 PM**

The monk clothes being literal hand-me-downs was hilarious.

I wanted to see my Lala try to run in a huge Highlander-sized cyclas and trip over the hem.

Chris Ganale · **03-04-2015, 03:10 PM**

(03-04-2015, 12:52 PM)Melkire Wrote: ...why are we calling it AF2? That's myth gear.

AF2 isn't even out yet.

I was thinking it this whole time, but figured it'd come off as pedantic and snippy if I said anything.

Zelmanov · **03-04-2015, 03:15 PM**

Given the remark about Sharlayans......is anyone RP'ing an Indiana Jones-esque archaeologist that gets in a tizzy about ancient looted gear?

no? Someone should >_>

Warren Castille · **03-04-2015, 03:19 PM**

(03-04-2015, 01:35 PM)Melkire Wrote:
(03-04-2015, 01:00 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: FFXI babies.

Source: I'm an FFXI baby

You had your day.

That's where it comes from, though, and I'm not even just poking fun. Artifact armor in FFXI became shorthand as AF, and when Dynamis came out and dropped "upgraded" recolored versions they became known as AF2. It was all job-specific armor that was highly sought after, and in some cases so exceedingly rare that if you saw someone wearing something specific (RDM/BLM hat, THF hands, PLD body) you knew you were looking at someone who was in a good group.

So yeah. AF2 because "Dynamis relic gear" doesn't abbreviate as well.

Sounsyy · **03-04-2015, 03:21 PM**

(03-04-2015, 02:45 PM)Kage Wrote: Allagan technology yo.

That's been my (5 minute) headcanon.

Gods... I'd really hate to meet the Allagan caterpillars that spun that invincible silk. Secret T14 boss Spiny Spipi confirmed. Please look forward to it.

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EDIT:

(03-04-2015, 03:19 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: So yeah. AF2 because "Dynamis relic gear" doesn't abbreviate as well.

Actually... it abbreviates to "DRG" but we can't have anything decent get confused with LOLDRGs, no thank you.

K'nahli · **03-04-2015, 03:25 PM**

Even were I to RP dungeons, I'd never actually imagine acting as though clothing just happens to drop there *laughs*

Warren Castille · **03-04-2015, 03:26 PM**

(03-04-2015, 03:21 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: Actually... it abbreviates to "DRG" but we can't have that. LOLDRG no thank you.

Told you. Doesn't abbreviate well.

Cactuar

Edgar · **03-04-2015, 03:39 PM**

(03-04-2015, 02:40 PM)Sounsyy Wrote:
(03-04-2015, 02:05 PM)Kage Wrote: I would just say they've seen some times.

I mean really, we're all wearing some hand me down or old shit unless we crafted it ourselves or it's Rowena stuff.

Allagan stuff? Old as shit.
WoD? ... Possible it's not old.
LotA? OLD
ST? OLD
Antique gear? ANTIQUES

In my own headcanon, all the drops we get are re-tailored, but modern versions inspired by whatever instance we return from. Like Coil, enough adventurers brought tattered remains of old Allagan clothing so that tailors got an idea of what it might have looked like and made it. And now because everyone is obsessed with everything Allagan, it's highly fashionable. And like WoD? I mean... it's not like demons and voidsent wear clothes. So just inspired pieces.

Cuz... a silk robe isn't gonna survive 5,000 years through earthquakes, great floods, freezes, and what all and still be wearable. The damn thing would just disintegrate in your hands if you picked it up.

Also that said, WTF Eorzeans have no sense of history. No wonder the Sharlayans left in a huff. I mean, we dig up some 5,000 year old piece of history and wear it to battle or we destroy it (thank you desynth). Sharlayans are all probably screaming:

Ah, but Allagan attire is not made from traditional materials. The descriptions for materials specified as "Allagan" all seem to suggest that they've been treated with special materials. Then we get to ingredients such as Allagan Catalyst, Carboncoat, and Carbontwine, all Allagan, and all explicitly stated to increase the properties of materials. With these in mind, I find it much more believable that, yes, that full set of Allagan armor survived several eras in the dirt.

Allagan.

Aduu Avagnar · **03-06-2015, 08:03 AM**

The reason its being called AF2 is simply common usage. Before we even had those pictures, the i90 set was being called AF2. It sort of stuck about.

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