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Manari · **06-19-2015, 09:22 AM**

Final Fantasy XIII is complete garbage and they need to stop slapping the number XIII on their games if they ever want me to give them any money ever again. From it's terrible characters to it's completely uninteresting story, I had a hard time staying awake while forcing myself to finish this game. Then there is the 20 hour long hallway, which no one can possibly defend without saying "but it gets better after 20 hours!" And finally the lame battle system that has you just mashing X as your characters do everything for you. This game was an insult to the Final Fantasy series, and the only thing I liked about it was the comic relief character with a giant afro and a bird living in his hair. He was the only interesting character in the game.

And it only gets more insulting to the series as they pumped out more crap from this universe. The plots just get worse and worse. I'll tell you what good came out of it though. I used to hate FFVIII. Now I have a whole new appreciation for that game. It was my least favorite for years, but at least it looked like Final Fantasy, it sounded like Final Fantasy, and played like Final Fantasy. It had its share of difficulties that made it one of my least favorite in the series, but at least it still has the heart of a Final Fantasy game. FFXIII does none of these things. There is so little to like about FFXIII unless all you care about is pretty graphics.

Sorry, I know we are getting off topic. But the truth is that I worry about what kind of battle system SE will implement into the FFVII remake. I'm pretty sure most FFVII fans don't want it changed too much, but you know it's going to be completely different. It's also going to use a much more modern style of FF storytelling, which might be a good thing, or it might make the game feel foreign. You know we aren't going to see those familiar blue text boxes anymore. (or whatever color you changed them to) I guess I'm just worried that SE it going to take the game much farther past the kind of remake that the fans wanted.

Gegenji · **06-19-2015, 09:25 AM**

(06-19-2015, 09:22 AM)Manari Wrote: You know we aren't going to see those familiar blue text boxes anymore. Â (or whatever color you changed them to)

I am going to be mighty upset if FF7 doesn't have "eye-searing rainbow" as an option for its menus and text boxes.

Kellach Woods · **06-19-2015, 09:51 PM**

(06-19-2015, 09:22 AM)Manari Wrote: Final Fantasy XIII is complete garbage and they need to stop slapping the number XIII on their games if they ever want me to give them any money ever again. Â From it's terrible characters to it's completely uninteresting story, I had a hard time staying awake while forcing myself to finish this game. Â Then there is the 20 hour long hallway, which no one can possibly defend without saying "but it gets better after 20 hours!" Â And finally the lame battle system that has you just mashing X as your characters do everything for you. Â This game was an insult to the Final Fantasy series, and the only thing I liked about it was the comic relief character with a giant afro and a bird living in his hair. Â He was the only interesting character in the game.

And it only gets more insulting to the series as they pumped out more crap from this universe. Â The plots just get worse and worse. Â I'll tell you what good came out of it though. Â I used to hate FFVIII. Â Now I have a whole new appreciation for that game. Â It was my least favorite for years, but at least it looked like Final Fantasy, it sounded like Final Fantasy, and played like Final Fantasy. Â It had its share of difficulties that made it one of my least favorite in the series, but at least it still has the heart of a Final Fantasy game. Â FFXIII does none of these things. Â There is so little to like about FFXIII unless all you care about is pretty graphics. Â

I remember saying the exact same shit about VII years ago. Except replace comic relief with "the only black character I've seen in a RPG at the time".

Just sayin'.

Griffith! · **06-19-2015, 10:13 PM**

That... is actually a fair point. Ethnic diversity in RPGs is pretty sparse. So I'll give FFVII and FFXIII credit for that.

Kellach Woods · **06-19-2015, 10:26 PM**

Not exactly my point - just that FFVII was a very radical departure from what came before (Without knowing what to do, it really feels like you're stuck in Midgar for QUITE some time. It's not 20 hours, not by a long shot, but it was significant enough that I really didn't care for the game at the time), same with XIII. An argument can be made that XIII failed where VII succeeded, but to me, personally, it didn't.

XIII exists, and when I'll play it I'll play it with an open mind and play it thoroughly.

Like I'll play the remake with one even though I really, really do not like VII.

Griffith! · **06-19-2015, 10:42 PM**

I understand what you're saying, but irrespective of what point you were trying to make, it is a fair point that VII and XIII are the only two FF games with ethnically African party members. It's actually something worth praising in the hallway simulator.

Aaron · **06-19-2015, 10:52 PM**

http://www.vg247.com/2015/06/18/ff7-rema...ys-nomura/

Griffith! · **06-19-2015, 11:12 PM**

â€œWe canâ€™t have these upgraded, beautiful 3D models of Cloud and Barrett, still lining up in a row, jumping forward to attack an enemy, then jumping back to wait for their next turn,â€ Nomura said.
â€œThat would be bizarre. Of course there will likely be changes there.â€
I hate that. Of course we can have them lining up in a row, jumping forward to attack an enemy and then jumping back. There's literally nothing preventing it, except Square's obsession with real-time, westernized action-combat.
It's a video game. It is, by it's very nature, abstract.

Edgar · **06-19-2015, 11:17 PM**

Would a real-time battle system or something similar to what FFXV is doing that takes advantage of the enhanced graphics and full range of motion hurt the game in any way?

Aaron · **06-19-2015, 11:19 PM**

(06-19-2015, 11:17 PM)Edgar Wrote: Would a real-time battle system or even a fusion of the two that takes advantage of the enhanced graphics and full range of motion hurt the game in any way?

Id actually prefer it tbh.

Edgar · **06-19-2015, 11:22 PM**

(06-19-2015, 11:19 PM)Aaron Wrote:
(06-19-2015, 11:17 PM)Edgar Wrote: Would a real-time battle system or even a fusion of the two that takes advantage of the enhanced graphics and full range of motion hurt the game in any way?
Id actually prefer it tbh.

Precisely.

I have to agree with Nomura on this. We have the original. In fact, we have a more accessible version of the original. The man is anticipating gamers like myself who aren't going to shell out 60 fucking dollars for an HD version of the same goddamn game.

My Remake Policy: Either shake it up a bit, or you're wasting my time.

Caspar · **06-19-2015, 11:24 PM**

It became cool to hate 7 over the years, but personally, I wasn't impressed by the story in the older, supposedly superior games like 6. It's not my favorite RPG ever, but I still think it was a solid game, for being very primitive, poorly translated and essentially having some parts incomplete.

Btw, Sephiroth is a Kefka with depth. Feel free to impale me now.

Griffith! · **06-19-2015, 11:24 PM**

I just miss the old turn-based ATB systems. And while no, it may not hurt the game in any way, it doesn't necessarily improve it either. But ignore me, I'm just a crotchety old man (spurious;Â I'm 27) who doesn't like change.

Caspar · **06-19-2015, 11:25 PM**

(06-19-2015, 11:24 PM)Griffith! Wrote: I just miss the old turn-based ATB systems. And while no, it may not hurt the game in any way, it doesn't necessarily improve it either. But ignore me, I'm just a crotchety old man (spurious;Â I'm 27) who doesn't like change.

pfft. "old."

Griffith! · **06-19-2015, 11:28 PM**

Which old are you objecting to? Because one of them openly admits it's a lie.

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