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Caspar · **09-22-2015, 02:08 PM**

Why not just let the devs decide? If you don't like the lore, don't engage with that segment of it, rather than making the shaky claim that a scene or bit of ingame text wasn't canon without any definitive answer. As we've established, plenty of "lore-adherents" take liberties too. Until a definite answer is revealed, your assertion of canon really just is ignoring sonething that isnt to your taste.

Val · **09-22-2015, 02:09 PM**

(09-22-2015, 02:06 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: Novelty items are a novelty.

Idunno, it's in the flavor text.Â Angel

V'aleera · **09-22-2015, 02:09 PM**

(09-22-2015, 02:06 PM)Oli! Wrote: They've got flavor text, but their purpose is pretty clearly just Nostalgia Factor without any further implications.

That's giving a considerable benefit of the doubt to a company that has openly admitted that choosing between GC lore and fixing the busted pvp queues is a legitimately difficult decision for them to make.

McBeefâ„¢ · **09-22-2015, 02:10 PM**

(09-22-2015, 02:09 PM)Val Wrote:
(09-22-2015, 02:06 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: Novelty items are a novelty.

Idunno, it's in the flavor text.Â

Well i mean.

I don't think it's that odd for the WoL to have items like that.

They're the WoL. That doesn't mean there are more than one.

Val · **09-22-2015, 02:10 PM**

(09-22-2015, 02:06 PM)V Wrote:
(09-22-2015, 02:03 PM)Val Wrote: Someone's salty :v
Not at all, I was simply seeking clarity.

The fact that you have chosen to refuse to allow those people to succeed, when the only lore we have explicitly mandates that they would, proves my point however.

I'm not sure what you're trying to imply with this? Ultimately, people can RP what they want. I just reserve the right to avoid them. Do I avoid miqo'te dragoons? Nah. Do I find it silly? Kinda. You do you, cupcake.

Flashhelix · **09-22-2015, 02:11 PM**

(09-22-2015, 02:08 PM)Caspar Wrote: Why not just let the devs decide? If you don't like the lore, don't engage with that segment of it, rather than making the shaky claim that a scene or bit of ingame text wasn't canon without any definitive answer. As we've established, plenty of "lore-adherents" take liberties too. Until a definite answer is revealed, your assertion of canon really just is ignoring sonething that isnt to your taste.

How is the claim that it isn't canon any more shaky than the claim that it is canon? We've seen ample evidence that flavor text can be non-canon, just as I'm sure there are examples of things such as questlines or dialogue confirming something asserted in the flavor text of an item.

Berrod Armstrong · **09-22-2015, 02:11 PM**

(09-22-2015, 02:03 PM)Val Wrote:
(09-22-2015, 02:00 PM)V Wrote:
(09-22-2015, 01:34 PM)Val Wrote: Then we must also go on the assumption that because it isn't in game, it doesn't exist? Like how there's no justification for miqo'te dragoons and such beyond the super special main character?
Or how there's no lore justifying the existence of a Hyur/Miqo'te pairing that doesn't end in them getting run out of town?

Someone's salty :v

People actually have tried to run my character out. Unlike some people, I welcome it

Also:
"Blessed by the elder primal himself, Sleipnir will forever remain loyal to those who have proven themselves worthy. In addition to being fearless in battle, the dark steed is also able to manipulate his corporeal form to accommodate any rider, large or small."

According to this flavor text, I have a super OP horse blessed by Odin himself. Sweet.

"Summon forth Twintania, an ancient wyvern who secretly dreams of freedom...and devouring you.
Bound to eternal thralldom via an Allagan neurolink, this ancient wyvern from the southern continent of Meracydia will remain a loyal servant as long as you possess its identification key."

And I get to control Twintania!!!11

For all we know, the Warrior of Light has a super OP horse blessed by Odin himself (he's such a complete dumbass I can just imagine him never using it). The guy goes around killing Gods for a living, it's not a far stretch.

The same can be said of Twintania. He beat the shit out of her, and now she's his WINGSTEED.

Remember, a lot of the fantasticry applies to the Warrior of Light, not Berrod the Monk.

When the lore team comes out and says these things aren't canon, then I'll put those ideas away. Until then, there is absolutely no authority that can say that those things aren't true.

Warren Castille · **09-22-2015, 02:12 PM**

(09-22-2015, 02:09 PM)Val Wrote:
(09-22-2015, 02:06 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: Novelty items are a novelty.

Idunno, it's in the flavor text.Â

I know we're dancing about the sides of the argument, but bonus items (from subscription bonuses/buddy rewards) and the intentionally-nostalgic stuff (Ultros minion, Scion dolls, etc) and the cash shop mounts (Sleip for sure, Twin by extension of shelling out 60 bucks paid by either you or a friend) fall into the "Thank you for being a loyal customer" category of the fence.

Putting an easter egg in the form of an S-Rank description or a random fish is probably less likely.

Caspar · **09-22-2015, 02:12 PM**

(09-22-2015, 02:09 PM)Val Wrote:
(09-22-2015, 02:06 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: Novelty items are a novelty.

Idunno, it's in the flavor text.Â

It could be canon, we don't know and no argument against ot or in favor of it holds any real weight.

You can bet your ass someone actually canonically has sleipnir ICly in the RP community.

***Maril*** · **09-22-2015, 02:12 PM**

/Modhat onÂ

Please keep a calm tone everyone. I'd like to remind people low-effort posting is not allowed. You can see the rule, and examples of a low effort post here.

/Modhat off.

McBeefâ„¢ · **09-22-2015, 02:13 PM**

(09-22-2015, 02:11 PM)Flashhelix Wrote:
(09-22-2015, 02:08 PM)Caspar Wrote: Why not just let the devs decide? If you don't like the lore, don't engage with that segment of it, rather than making the shaky claim that a scene or bit of ingame text wasn't canon without any definitive answer. As we've established, plenty of "lore-adherents" take liberties too. Until a definite answer is revealed, your assertion of canon really just is ignoring sonething that isnt to your taste.

How is the claim that it isn't canon any more shaky than the claim that it is canon? We've seen ample evidence that flavor text can be non-canon, just as I'm sure there are examples of things such as questlines or dialogue confirming something asserted in the flavor text of an item.

I mean the problem with this thought is that it even implies the /name/ isn't canon.

Oli! · **09-22-2015, 02:13 PM**

(09-22-2015, 12:49 PM)Sounsyy Wrote:
(09-22-2015, 12:34 PM)Oli! Wrote: What if the vampire legends come from the bats and not actual vampires?

So, why would a bat need to turn into another bat?

Martiallais · **09-22-2015, 02:15 PM**

All I know is I hope vampires are bullet proof from all the MCH shots being fired in this thread. I don't know how many more 'Oh snap' gifs I can find on the internet!

I think this is just going to be one of those things that 'most' people consider bad form (like saying you have the actual, one of a kind artifact weapon or some other rare item) but is acceptable in whatever group you play/rp with. Different strokes, different folks and all that. Thankfully the Balmung sandbox is big enough that you should be able to find someone that'll go along with it despite what others think.

I'm just...surprised the thread has gone on this long to be perfectly honest.

.........

Also I hope someone gives me an invite when we start the Ishgardian Underground Monster Wrestling Linkshell, I'm rolling up a werewolf for that RITE NAO.

Val · **09-22-2015, 02:15 PM**

(09-22-2015, 02:12 PM)Caspar Wrote:
(09-22-2015, 02:09 PM)Val Wrote:
(09-22-2015, 02:06 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: Novelty items are a novelty.

Idunno, it's in the flavor text.Â
It could be canon, we don't know and no argument against ot or in favor of it holds any real weight.

You can bet your ass someone actually canonically has sleipnir ICly in the RP community.

Oh yeah, I really don't doubt it. And I don't doubt somewhere someone has single-handedly beaten Bahamut either.

Val · **09-22-2015, 02:17 PM**

(09-22-2015, 02:13 PM)McBeefâ„¢ Wrote:
(09-22-2015, 02:11 PM)Flashhelix Wrote:
(09-22-2015, 02:08 PM)Caspar Wrote: Why not just let the devs decide? If you don't like the lore, don't engage with that segment of it, rather than making the shaky claim that a scene or bit of ingame text wasn't canon without any definitive answer. As we've established, plenty of "lore-adherents" take liberties too. Until a definite answer is revealed, your assertion of canon really just is ignoring sonething that isnt to your taste.

How is the claim that it isn't canon any more shaky than the claim that it is canon? We've seen ample evidence that flavor text can be non-canon, just as I'm sure there are examples of things such as questlines or dialogue confirming something asserted in the flavor text of an item.
I mean the problem with this thought is that it even implies the /name/ isn't canon.

A name is a name, and this isn't our world. They could name a chair a bridge and it wouldn't make it the bridge we know. It'd still be a chair.

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