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ArmachiA · **08-08-2013, 11:59 PM**

I'm getting both Armi and Loki to 20 and their sub classes for their jobs to 15. I think I can probably squeeze out Daej and Ash too, since I won't be roleplaying at all during Beta 4 (I need to race change my characters before I can do that :/, the only exception is the Ball event, where I'll just be rolling a copy of either Armi or Loki and going to that)

Salty Lake · **08-09-2013, 12:52 PM**

(08-08-2013, 03:36 PM)Ashren Snow Wrote: You'll be able to change race, gender, clan, appearance, birth day, patron, name, and starting city all when they let us remake our characters. Basically you'll get to completely remake your character as if you were making a brand new character while keeping all of your current levels.

So we can change everything except our character's name? Â Cool!

Adelpha · **08-09-2013, 01:09 PM**

(08-09-2013, 12:52 PM)Lake Desire Wrote:
(08-08-2013, 03:36 PM)Ashren Snow Wrote: You'll be able to change race, gender, clan, appearance, birth day, patron, name, and starting city all when they let us remake our characters. Basically you'll get to completely remake your character as if you were making a brand new character while keeping all of your current levels.

So we can change everything except our character's name? Â Cool!

You can change that too!

synaesthetic · **08-09-2013, 01:36 PM**

Oh, fucking wonderful. Three days? What the hell, Squeenix? What the fuck can we test in three days?

The preorder people whined, didn't they? They complained that Phase 4 made early access worthless.

Seriously, this puts enough of a bad taste in my mouth I'm almost, almost tempted to not pay for your game again, Squeenix. Look, I bought your game when it was a terrible, buggy, unplayable mess and you can't even give me early access? Seriously, screw you.

Yeah. Not too happy right now, especially with the level cap so low. I can't even start my Free Company during Phase 4, so by the time launch hits, the name will probably already be taken by someone else during early access.

Yini Kihn · **08-09-2013, 02:46 PM**

(08-09-2013, 01:36 PM)synaesthetic Wrote: What the fuck can we test in three days?

It's not really about testing: It's primarily meant to be a free trial. Yoshi-P said this in the live letter and has said so previously as well. The dates given were in line with my expectations.

Regardless, the situation is what it is. Even if I agreed with you that things were somehow unfairâ€”which I don'tâ€”posting a bunch vulgar complaining isn't going to do anything except dampen our collective elation over the pending release. If you're so mad about this that you simply must express it somehow, please go attack your pillow or something instead!

Naunet · **08-09-2013, 02:58 PM**

(08-08-2013, 10:02 AM)FreelanceWizard Wrote:
They may allow /tell in instanced raids at some point, but they're concerned about harassment. It's not a technical issue; the feature has just been disabled. (Q20)

This is such a bullshit excuse. I'm absolutely convinced they fucked up their coding somehow and they're just using that as a hand-wave, because seriously? If they're concerned about harassment, staff more or better GMs to get ticket times low and give players a functional and streamlined report system. Cutting people off from whispers just because they're afraid people will be "mean" is idiotic.

(08-08-2013, 11:29 AM)Azthran Wrote: I understand putting a level cap on the beta but that kind of restricts the pvp testing to legacy players. I know things won't change but I think it would have been better for them to have the cap be 30 with job quests disabled instead of having the cap be 20. I do understand time restrictions as 3 days isn't that long but wouldn't it be in their best interest to have as many people testing it as they can instead of leaving it up to just the legacy group?

What's more, people can't form their Free Companies in phase 4. :/

Ildur · **08-09-2013, 03:08 PM**

Yini Kihn Wrote:It's primarily meant to be a free trial. Yoshi-P said this in the live letter and has said so previously as well. The dates given were in line with my expectations.

Ah, I remember the good old days, when a Beta test primary function, be it open or closed, was to test the game and not being a glorified one-time trial.

Yini Kihn · **08-09-2013, 03:37 PM**

(08-09-2013, 03:08 PM)Ildur Wrote: Ah, I remember the good old days, when a Beta test primary function, be it open or closed, was to test the game and not being a glorified one-time trial.

They're making no guarantees with respect to preserving user data, so calling it anything other than a beta would be rather foolish in my opinion.

Ildur · **08-09-2013, 04:18 PM**

You only get a small portion of the content when compared to the full game, your progress might or might not carry on, and testing isn't the real focus. In the good old days, we called those 'demos'!

Vee · **08-09-2013, 04:21 PM**

Anyone know what time on the 19th the OB ends?

Yini Kihn · **08-09-2013, 04:44 PM**

(08-09-2013, 04:18 PM)Ildur Wrote: You only get a small portion of the content when compared to the full game, your progress might or might not carry on, and testing isn't the real focus. In the good old days, we called those 'demos'!

I was around then too, you know!

Not to go on about this, but this is what Wikipedia says a demo is:

Quote:A game demo is a freely distributed demonstration or preview of an upcoming or recently released video game. Demos are typically released by the game's publisher to help consumers get a feel of the game before deciding whether to buy the full version.

This is what Wikipedia says an open beta is:

Quote:Open betas serve the dual purpose of demonstrating a product to potential consumers, and testing among an extremely wide user base likely to bring to light obscure errors that a much smaller testing team might not find.

Personally, I think "open beta" is the more accurate and descriptive of the two terms. You can call it a demo if it makes you feel better though!

Ildur · **08-09-2013, 05:01 PM**

I'm basing my definitions of what a demo and a beta are on how they differentiate from each other on a practical basis. Wikipedia isn't an authority here.

Three days of testing will only show the most obvious of errors while allowing a lot of balance issues and bugs pass by. This will, more than likely, have huge repercutions on the Arcanist class, as people won't have enough time to test it properly.
The main purpose for this open beta is evidently to act as a publicity stunt and probably to test stress on the servers. Any actual testing of gameplay is just an added bonus. So it's really a demo.

rynsan · **08-09-2013, 05:04 PM**

Read this at work on my phone. Thanks for compiling all this together. Big Grin

Must say though I am SUPER excited for the Housing! I want to build one of those beds in my own bedroom! o.O

Yini Kihn · **08-09-2013, 05:05 PM**

(08-09-2013, 05:01 PM)Ildur Wrote: So it's really a demo.

Oh yeah? Well I think it's really an open beta!

Whatever. It doesn't matter! It's going to be fun no matter what it's called!

Ildur · **08-09-2013, 05:06 PM**

Yes, it's going to be a fun demo, I agree! Laugh

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