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Aysun · **08-09-2013, 08:44 PM**

For the record it was announced months ago.... Might want to update that if you're going to appeal to SE with this.

ArmachiA · **08-09-2013, 08:45 PM**

You can also edit your post in the Beta forums after you posted and there isn't a character limit on that

Magellan · **08-09-2013, 08:48 PM**

Aldeus: "As someone who first realized he was gay thanks to your video games(Kuja you naughty thing), I humbly ask that you consider my arguments in deciding on the fate of marriage equality in Eorzea."

Frankly, my favorite part =P

I applaud you for taking a stand, Aldeus, hopefully (though I doubt they will release with same-sex marriage) SE will figure things out quickly, and will do what is right.

Aldeus · **08-09-2013, 08:49 PM**

(08-09-2013, 08:45 PM)ArmachiA Wrote: You can also edit your post in the Beta forums after you posted and there isn't a character limit on that

You're right!Â Thanks!

And a month is recent, relatively.Â The game has been in production for quite a while.

Felix Sideris · **08-09-2013, 08:51 PM**

(08-09-2013, 08:43 PM)Aldeus Wrote: ((Because the SE forums only allow me 1 1,000 character post every 10min, I'm posting this here.Â I know there's already a thread discussing this topic, but I feel like this is deserves its own post.))

Recently it was announced that marriage would be a featurewithin Final Fantasy 14 ARR.Â The systemas of now, is planned to be for opposite gendered couples only, with the possibility of same gendered marriages being implemented based on player feedback. Â I argue that waiting for thisfeedback is, statistically speaking, a complete waste of time.Â The numbers already exist to indicate thatthe players of the afore mentioned game approve of same sex marriage by a wide margin.Â Let's consider the following, usingthe United States,a traditionally conservative country, as a model.

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- Among millennials (people born after 1980), support forsame sex marriage is over 70%

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- Among people born after 1965, support for same sexmarriage is over 50%

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- According to the Entertainment Software Association's 2013data, the average age of video game players is 30, with 64% of all players falling in the millennial category.

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These numbers alone show that a good majority of video gameplayers (if not a substantial majority), support same sex marriage.Â Assuming that Final Fantasy 14 players fallwithin the "video game players" demographic, it's quite easy to see in advance that support among the player base would be high.Â

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Square Enix is running a business though, and I understandthat.Â After the debacle that was theinitial release of Final Fantasy 14, and all the hard work they've put in to revitalizing the game, I can understand that they don't want any niggling distractions to keep any potential players away.Â Fortunately, there are real world examples toshow that SE shouldn't be afraid to implement same sex marriage.Â

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First, let's look at the Old Republic.Â Bioware has a history of offering same sexrelationships in their game, and well before their game launched, they stated that they intended to continue that tradition within the Old Republic.Â The usual suspects came out in protest, theAmerican Family Association, One Million Moms, ect. (people who don't play video games in any real numbers by the way), but Bioware was warmly recieved by the video game community.Â When the gamelaunched, they had over 1 million subscribers within the first 3 days.Â The game ultimately took a tumble in thenumbers, but that can in no way be attributed to the same sex marriage "controversy".

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Next let's look at Tirion's game RIFT.Â In one of the game's post launch patches,they implemented a marriage system without gender restrictions.Â There was no controversy, there was no fallout, but they did set the record for most marriages in a video game in a single day when the patch went live.

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Historically, video game developers who have taken the boldstep of supporting equality have been rewarded for their bravery by the good will of their player bases.Â ThereÂ will alwaysÂ be detractors, but support for the issue among gamers has been rock solid, and support grows with every new poll.Â
As someone who first realized he was gay thanks to your video games(Kuja you naughty thing), I humbly ask that you consider my arguments in deciding on the fate of marriage equality in Eorzea. Â Â Â

You might want to take note that using the united states as an example for a Japanese game is a bad idea.

If the united states is considered conservative, then japan is considered ancient.

They have 2000 years of cultural tradition and as of right now same sex marriage is against the law in Japan. You need to take note that a large part of their player base IS Japanese, and that they don't want to offend their own people by doing this, either.Â

I'm not saying that this shouldn't be implemented, however.

I do not want to see huge, sensitive debates starting and creating a rift in the community either.

People supporting this should hang tight and be patient as I can guarantee it will be implemented in the neat future (Likely 2.1).

Besides. Isn't marriage itself not getting implemented until 2.1 anyway?

Aysun · **08-09-2013, 08:54 PM**

It was announced in November 2012 actually..... http://www.polygon.com/2012/11/20/367155...m-same-sex

ArmachiA · **08-09-2013, 08:54 PM**

I don't think it's something that's off the table, but the Japanese gotta be eased into it. It'll happen, it's just a matter of when (And if the game is successful outside of Japan it'll happen sooner)

Aldeus · **08-09-2013, 08:54 PM**

I'm aware of the Japanese stance on this, but seeing as this game will be available in all countries, I think the more conservative leaning United States is a good example.

Ildur · **08-09-2013, 08:58 PM**

I agree with Felix. This discussion should be postponed until the system is actually announced/implemented. Until it is, everything we can argue about Squeenix implementing it or not is just senseless bickering and speculation.

Felix Sideris · **08-09-2013, 08:59 PM**

(08-09-2013, 08:54 PM)Aysun Wrote: It was announced in November 2012 actually..... http://www.polygon.com/2012/11/20/367155...m-same-sex

Exactly. They aren't saying they are never going to do it, they are just being extremely cautious about it.

If you can't or don't respect the caution they have then you need to remember that Japan isn't as progressive on this topic as the rest of the world.Â

Will it happen? The answer is pretty much a yes, so just hang in their and relax everyone. Getting all riled up is only going to cause arguments and drama.

Have some faith in Square, after all. If you can't have faith in the developers and that they will make the best choice for their players AND the games future concerning this, you should notÂ be playing final fantasy XIV.

(08-09-2013, 08:58 PM)Ildur Wrote: I agree with Felix. This discussion should be postponed until the system is actually announced/implemented. Until it is, everything we can argue about Squeenix implementing it or not is just senseless bickering and speculation.

Â Yay im not the only one with this perspective.

I love this community and I love people in general. I don't want to see bad blood in the community because of a sensitive topic like this.

Politics/Religion/etc. should generally be kept to one's self unless it is something positive or productive to talk about in a given situation.

This is no different.

Just like Ildur said, talking about this is on Hydaelyn is going to get us nowhere. Until Square is able to talk further about this system and how it works, there is no sense in stressing out and worrying about it. They have a game to release, and haven't set any light on this in a good while.

For all we know, they already added same sex marriage into the system and have yet to announce it.Â

Lets just see what happens. Smile

Aldeus · **08-09-2013, 09:10 PM**

http://www.change.org/petitions/squa...a-realm-reborn

A petition on Change.org for this very thing.

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Just like Ildur said, talking about this is on Hydaelyn is going to get us nowhere. Until Square is able to talk further about this system and how it works, there is no sense in stressing out and worrying about it. They have a game to release, and haven't set any light on this in a good while.

For all we know, they already added same sex marriage into the system and have yet to announce it.Â

Lets just see what happens. Smile

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"Strike not while the iron is hot, but make the iron hot by striking."

William Yeats.

Ashren Dotharl · **08-09-2013, 09:22 PM**

Same sex marriage is a hot topic globally and one that is incredibly controversial. We may be very progressive here in the United States, but even here people are incredibly intolerant and bigoted. As already mentioned above same sex marriage is out right illegal in any part of Japan, and for a country that still uses the same laws they had back when Tokyo was called Edo regarding nudity, I don't see this changing anytime soon.

Speaking as someone who has dual citizenship in two very different countries (France and the US) I can say that even some countries that are considered to be fairly modern and you would expect would be accepting of same sex marriage are not. France recently (relatively) passed a law for same sex marriage, and because of that there were riots and a lot of the population demanding this be changed, far more than actually voted FOR the change. Many people felt the decision was made because the politicians were being overly influenced by foreign governments or other organizations and felt they had no choice but to pass it, however the majority of people in France are against same sex marriage. And given Paris is the city of love and what not, you'd think they'd be even more progressive than the US.

Bioware and Trion are two companies that are located here in the US (I think Trion is in the US anyways, correct me if I'm wrong) so they don't have to worry about cultural and political pressures since here it's more or less okay to be LGBT, for a company that is located in a country where it is illegal they'll feel a great deal more pressure for it. With all that being said, maybe it will happen, though for now I hate to say it, I wouldn't hold my breath.

Chance · **08-09-2013, 09:23 PM**

No offense to anyone who supports this or anything, but in all seriousness can we pretend marriage in general is not in the game. If we ignore the topic of marriage as a whole we can enjoy the game more, and just people have said before me, please hold judgement until same sex marriage is actually revoked, because of of now it's only put on hold.

Anyway I'm fairly sure most of you would enjoy this game with or without the whole marriage thing being implemented in the first place. I love you all and ask that you do not tear open a rift in our precious community as that is what will happen if this heats up.

Aysun · **08-09-2013, 09:24 PM**

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"Strike not while the iron is hot, but make the iron hot by striking."

William Yeats.
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Who are you striking here again? This could have stayed in the other discussion thread if you wanted to rally support for the poll, honestly. SE doesn't visit our forums (and if they do they probably aren't going searching for stuff like this).

Felix Sideris · **08-09-2013, 09:26 PM**

(08-09-2013, 09:10 PM)Aldeus Wrote: "Strike not while the iron is hot, but make the iron hot by striking."

William Yeats.

Clearly William Yeats does not know how to forge a sword.

(08-09-2013, 09:23 PM)Chance Vinders Wrote: No offense to anyone who supports this or anything, but in all seriousness can we pretend marriage in general is not in the game. If we ignore the topic of marriage as a whole we can enjoy the game more, and just people have said before me, please hold judgement until same sex marriage is actually revoked, because of of now it's only put on hold.

Anyway I'm fairly sure most of you would enjoy this game with or without the whole marriage thing being implemented in the first place. I love you all and ask that you do not tear open a rift in our precious community as that is what will happen if this heats up.

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