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**Unnamed Mercenary** · **10-21-2015, 12:15 PM**

(10-21-2015, 12:02 PM)Vyce Wrote: Alka Zolka is a scholar but not a SCH. He can read the writings, but he cannot wield the magic.

It's a counter to specifically this:

(10-21-2015, 10:19 AM)Vyce Wrote: And Black Magic which uses your own body's aether reserves will kill you. And Scholars need one to even comprehend Nymeian magic. And Summoners need one to comprehend Allagan magic.

And Bards need one to figure out how to sing aether into battle. You get the singing part down, and the arrow part down, but what you don't know how to do is magically make all the panties drop with a single note. That is what the soul crystal teaches you. It doesn't seem like something someone else could just teach you- you gotta prove you're worthy and then the crystal helps you feel the groove. It basically teaches you how to DRR on extreme mode.

Alka Zolka doesn't need the Soul Crystal to understand how the NymianÂ magic works. But he's not an Arcanist. He's a Marauder. In Alka Zolka's case, he was learning things the "old way". By studying.

Then the Adventurer comes in, touches the shiny rock, and basically learns through osmosis. Soul Crystals aren't enablers. They're shortcuts. Or like plugging in a flash drive full of someone else's research, reports and work so that you can copy it easier instead of having to do all that work on your own.

Vyce · **10-21-2015, 12:31 PM**

(10-21-2015, 12:15 PM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote:
(10-21-2015, 12:02 PM)Vyce Wrote: Alka Zolka is a scholar but not a SCH. He can read the writings, but he cannot wield the magic.

It's a counter to specifically this:

(10-21-2015, 10:19 AM)Vyce Wrote: And Black Magic which uses your own body's aether reserves will kill you. And Scholars need one to even comprehend Nymeian magic. And Summoners need one to comprehend Allagan magic.

And Bards need one to figure out how to sing aether into battle. You get the singing part down, and the arrow part down, but what you don't know how to do is magically make all the panties drop with a single note. That is what the soul crystal teaches you. It doesn't seem like something someone else could just teach you- you gotta prove you're worthy and then the crystal helps you feel the groove. It basically teaches you how to DRR on extreme mode.

Alka Zolka doesn't need the Soul Crystal to understand how the NymianÂ magic works. But he's not an Arcanist. He's a Marauder. In Alka Zolka's case, he was learning things the "old way". By studying.

Then the Adventurer comes in, touches the shiny rock, and basically learns through osmosis. Soul Crystals aren't enablers. They're shortcuts. Or like plugging in a flash drive full of someone else's research, reports and work so that you can copy it easier instead of having to do all that work on your own.

That concept made me giggle, It is also pretty damn accurate. I concede.

Vyce · **10-21-2015, 12:33 PM**

OH! But would that mean that a very rich person with nothing better to do might try to buy a soul crystal and shortcut everything.

"Huh. Today is blah. I think I'll pay some thugs to go shank a White Mage for a Soul Crystal."

Virella · **10-21-2015, 12:40 PM**

(10-21-2015, 12:33 PM)Vyce Wrote: OH! But would that mean that a very rich person with nothing better to do might try to buy a soul crystal and shortcut everything.

"Huh. Today is blah. I think I'll pay some thugs to go shank a White Mage for a Soul Crystal."

... it really doesn't work like that but for the snowflake WoL. It is like cheating a test at most, still you need lots of training and education. But I suppose rich people would simply buy their ways into having soul stones yeah.

Hammersmith · **10-21-2015, 12:40 PM**

(10-21-2015, 12:33 PM)Vyce Wrote: OH! But would that mean that a very rich person with nothing better to do might try to buy a soul crystal and shortcut everything.

"Huh. Today is blah. I think I'll pay some thugs to go shank a White Mage for a Soul Crystal."

They could (And let's not touch white mage, destroyer of threads) do it to try to short cut it, but I think we've established Soul Crystals can't make someone with no potential/leaning/ability Â already there into a paragon of the job type in under a day. Â It's just a catalyst for improvement/guidance.

If you don't follow it's learning stuff, you don't improve. Â It's a shortcut, but still a shortcut with requirements for getting there.

Zoya · **10-21-2015, 12:41 PM**

(10-21-2015, 12:33 PM)Vyce Wrote: OH! But would that mean that a very rich person with nothing better to do might try to buy a soul crystal and shortcut everything.

"Huh. Today is blah. I think I'll pay some thugs to go shank a White Mage for a Soul Crystal."

I think "shanking" a padjal could have minor political consequences.

Besides, you still need to do the awakening stuff yourself. Even the WoL has to do stuff to make the crystal hand over some memories and he gets all the good stuff on a silver platter.

Raik Samil · **10-21-2015, 12:47 PM**

Raik doesn't use them, but anytime someone mentions them he is interested in how they work. The few times hes seen people use them, its given him ideas for new abilites or skills.

**Unnamed Mercenary** · **10-21-2015, 12:52 PM**

A rich person somehow buying all the soul crystals would be the same as a rich supervillain buying lots of destructive equipment.

...He might have the tools, but he can't operate it.

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edit: alternatively, it's like having a car without knowing how to drive. Yeah, you can sit in the seat and probably even start the engine, but good luck safely driving anywhere.

Oli! · **10-21-2015, 12:59 PM**

(10-21-2015, 12:52 PM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote: A rich person somehow buying all the soul crystals would be the same as a rich supervillain buying lots of destructive equipment.

...He might have the tools, but he can't operate it.

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who remembers Kim Possible? They had one of those!

edit: alternatively, it's like having a car without knowing how to drive. Yeah, you can sit in the seat and probably even start the engine, but good luck safely driving anywhere.

Eh.

If they beam things into your brain like the Matrix, then it would be more like a car or piece of equipment that tells you how to use it as you go.

-no longer matters- · **10-21-2015, 01:03 PM**

Depends on a class, some are just a key that unlocks your potential, some are needed for focusing the power.

i.e. DRK Soul Crystals just unlock your Dark Side, where BLM are needed to use the magic or you combust.

Smagon · **10-21-2015, 01:04 PM**

(10-21-2015, 10:50 AM)Zoya Wrote:
(10-21-2015, 10:41 AM)Hammersmith Wrote: Out of those only BLM requires a soulstone since it's said, explicitly, not using a BLM soulstone while using BLM sets -you on fire and kills you-.
And then you're left to wonder how a BLM soul crystal can even hold any kind of black magic knowledge.

I mean, in order for the empty crystal to be filled with knowledge, you need to perform the art.
In order to perform the art, you need a soul crystal filled with knowledge.

That doesn't quite work out.

I assume that's where the soul stone comes in. There are probably countless memories of people blowing themselves up so you can know what not to do.

-no longer matters- · **10-21-2015, 01:06 PM**

(10-21-2015, 01:04 PM)Smagon Wrote:
(10-21-2015, 10:50 AM)Zoya Wrote:
(10-21-2015, 10:41 AM)Hammersmith Wrote: Out of those only BLM requires a soulstone since it's said, explicitly, not using a BLM soulstone while using BLM sets -you on fire and kills you-.
And then you're left to wonder how a BLM soul crystal can even hold any kind of black magic knowledge.

I mean, in order for the empty crystal to be filled with knowledge, you need to perform the art.
In order to perform the art, you need a soul crystal filled with knowledge.

That doesn't quite work out.

I assume that's where the soul stone comes in. There are probably countless memories of people blowing themselves up so you can know what not to do.

The original Soul stone may have even been justr a focusing crystal as well, and as time went they also turned them into Soul Crystals

Oli! · **10-21-2015, 01:07 PM**

(10-21-2015, 01:04 PM)Smagon Wrote:
(10-21-2015, 10:50 AM)Zoya Wrote:
(10-21-2015, 10:41 AM)Hammersmith Wrote: Out of those only BLM requires a soulstone since it's said, explicitly, not using a BLM soulstone while using BLM sets -you on fire and kills you-.
And then you're left to wonder how a BLM soul crystal can even hold any kind of black magic knowledge.

I mean, in order for the empty crystal to be filled with knowledge, you need to perform the art.
In order to perform the art, you need a soul crystal filled with knowledge.

That doesn't quite work out.

I assume that's where the soul stone comes in. There are probably countless memories of people blowing themselves up so you can know what not to do.

Alternatively, some Soul Crystals work differently than others. It's entirely possible that BLM soul crystals are literallyÂ just special foci, and don't hold memories, or are focusing crystals that end up holding memories as a side-effect of being glued to people's pockets. This may be backed up by the fact that spellbooks are very important over the course of the BLM storyline; the people that give you the Gem play it up as more of a prophecy item, and they themselves learned from books and other sources. Stuff you learn in the 50+ quests are Dank Spells straight from the Book of Nald, too.

**Unnamed Mercenary** · **10-21-2015, 01:17 PM**

(10-21-2015, 01:07 PM)Oli! Wrote:
(10-21-2015, 01:04 PM)Smagon Wrote:
(10-21-2015, 10:50 AM)Zoya Wrote:
(10-21-2015, 10:41 AM)Hammersmith Wrote: Out of those only BLM requires a soulstone since it's said, explicitly, not using a BLM soulstone while using BLM sets -you on fire and kills you-.
And then you're left to wonder how a BLM soul crystal can even hold any kind of black magic knowledge.

I mean, in order for the empty crystal to be filled with knowledge, you need to perform the art.
In order to perform the art, you need a soul crystal filled with knowledge.

That doesn't quite work out.

I assume that's where the soul stone comes in. There are probably countless memories of people blowing themselves up so you can know what not to do.

Alternatively, some Soul Crystals work differently than others. It's entirely possible that BLM soul crystals are literallyÂ just special foci, and don't hold memories, or are focusing crystals that end up holding memories as a side-effect of being glued to people's pockets. This may be backed up by the fact that spellbooks are very important over the course of the BLM storyline; the people that give you the Gem play it up as more of a prophecy item, and they themselves learned from books and other sources. Stuff you learn in the 50+ quests are Dank Spells straight from the Book of Nald, too.

The Black Mage Soul Crystal is literally called the Gem of Shattoto. By Shattoto, the person who one could argue "invented" Black Magic because she couldn't be a Thaumaturge. It's basically her "here's how I did this" memory in a rock. Could someone else rediscover her methods? Maybekinda. The 3.0 scenes seem to imply that people tried and got burned for it.

But also for fun, here's the BLM Quest Scenes. They didn't change too much from 1.0, I hear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF_JM8ckOX8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_QK_zkEZPU

Ashe · **10-21-2015, 02:07 PM**

(10-21-2015, 11:39 AM)Zelmanov Wrote:
(10-20-2015, 08:31 PM)Ashe Wrote:
(10-20-2015, 08:30 PM)Zelmanov Wrote: I tend to ignore them, I'll never have a plotline involving a stolen or pick-pocketed soulstone robbing Orrin of his powers or anything of the like.Â

However I am lore-flexible (as always) so if anything Orrin has one, and has infused a great deal of his knowledge into it as well.
I should fix that...

well if your trip to azys lla happens to snag you a smn soulstone and you try to use that new found power to try and squish that pesky dragoon, I won't call foul.

That may have been on my "to-do" list. I have multiple plans for you >.<
I need to contact you in-game at some point.
Just sitting on 3.1...but I gotta kill an Ishgardian Noble first >>

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