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Pepe · **08-05-2015, 11:56 AM**

(08-05-2015, 08:17 AM)Melodia Wrote: This thread and most of the comments attached to it, are most of what I makes me fail to even bother logging in anymore.

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/3...cceptable/

Yes, everyone should be trying their best but damn it, when did this game change from, oh, I don't know...a game into something akin to a work assignment. No one in this thing is my employer, spouse, or anything that resembles an authority figure. So when someone wants to lecture and yell at me about me "not parsing enough" (and yes, insert sniveling voice there....I intended it as so) it turns me off. I pay for the game. I am doing the best I can, and so are others.

If people actually knew how to offer advice rather than "You suck noob! Go git gud or kill yourself" then maybe the lower dps playersÂ would improve. But when someone approaches me (a paying damn player....my rl money going into the game) like this, I want to quit because it's ridiculous. "Yur wasting my timez!" is what I hear in reply. I get it if people are actively trolling and not even trying to win, but the difference in time neededÂ to complete an instance from people who are trying but not superpro gamers(trademark pending) versus elite hall of fame level static players, is actually pretty damn minimal in the grand scheme. What else do you have planned in the game that is so time critical that a few extra minutes would destroy such plans? If your answer is anything besides "Not a whole lot to be honest" then maybe your time planning ought to be refigured. No one player is so important that they ought to be lecturing and scolding other DPS folks who fail to meet their precious number requirements. I've gotten so sick of seeing this phenomenon lately that it makes nauseous to even log in anymore.

"Your numbers suck. Your gear sucks. Your [insert whatever the hell you want here] sucks."

Translation: "You aren't good enough in MY book."

Well YOUR book sucks. And makes the game suck.

Just my vent. Which is what I think this thread is for. I feel better now.

TL; DR: This isn't a damn job interview. It's a video game of fake pixels and imaginary items. Get over your elite crap, lay off the less than stellar players and (god forbid) relax and have fun.

It's 100% reasonable to expect someone who joins a team to expend the bare minimum of effort to carry their weight on the team in this game. If you are pulling Crystal Tower levels of DPS at max level content, you are the asshole. If you have an expectation that strangers should take time out of their day to teach you your class when it's easy as shit to just google up one of the very helpful guides that nice people wrote for everyone, you are the fucking asshole here.

Very few people expect anyone to deal savage level DPS in a dungeon. People who post threads like the one you linked just want you to carry your weight.

Telluride · **08-05-2015, 12:05 PM**

(08-05-2015, 11:56 AM)Pepe Wrote: It's 100% reasonable to expect someone who joins a team to expend the bare minimum of effort to carry their weight on the team in this game. If you are pulling Crystal Tower levels of DPS at max level content, you are the asshole. If you have an expectation that strangers should take time out of their day to teach you your class when it's easy as shit to just google up one of the very helpful guides that nice people wrote for everyone, you are the fucking asshole here.

Very few people expect anyone to deal savage level DPS in a dungeon. People who post threads like the one you linked just want you to carry your weight.

We can assure you that there ARE people who DO expect you to dish that very level of damage in a DF dungeon, and who ARE very arrogant and sometimes have the manners of prepubescent brats. These people ARE assholes, no matter how many guides the rest of the party have or have not read.

I actually reported a couple of such people. It was a Vault run, and we were actually doing fine, getting through the content, and then one of a pair, who wasn't doing anywhere near as well as he'd like to believe, starting rattling off how much the others in the party sucked, and how good they were, when if they'd been half as good as they were claiming, we'd have ALL had a cakewalk run. They got nasty about it, too, but made the mistake of announcing that they were parsing the fight.

I have some decent tolerance for stupidity (I used to be a teacher, a job incompatible with the urge to tell stupid people the truth about themselves), but when you're going to be abusive AND hypocritical, AND stupid enough to admit that you're using a parser in a game forbidding it, then I'm sorry, karma itself demands you get screencapped and reported.

Pepe · **08-05-2015, 12:11 PM**

(08-05-2015, 12:05 PM)Telluride Wrote:
(08-05-2015, 11:56 AM)Pepe Wrote: It's 100% reasonable to expect someone who joins a team to expend the bare minimum of effort to carry their weight on the team in this game. If you are pulling Crystal Tower levels of DPS at max level content, you are the asshole. If you have an expectation that strangers should take time out of their day to teach you your class when it's easy as shit to just google up one of the very helpful guides that nice people wrote for everyone, you are the fucking asshole here.

Very few people expect anyone to deal savage level DPS in a dungeon. People who post threads like the one you linked just want you to carry your weight.

We can assure you that there ARE people who DO expect you to dish that very level of damage in a DF dungeon, and who ARE very arrogant and sometimes have the manners of prepubescent brats. These people ARE assholes, no matter how many guides the rest of the party have or have not read.

I actually reported a couple of such people. It was a Vault run, and we were actually doing fine, getting through the content, and then one of a pair, who wasn't doing anywhere near as well as he'd like to believe, starting rattling off how much the others in the party sucked, and how good they were, when if they'd been half as good as they were claiming, we'd have ALL had a cakewalk run. They got nasty about it, too, but made the mistake of announcing that they were parsing the fight.

I have some decent tolerance for stupidity (I used to be a teacher, a job incompatible with the urge to tell stupid people the truth about themselves), but when you're going to be abusive AND hypocritical, AND stupid enough to admit that you're using a parser in a game forbidding it, then I'm sorry, karma itself demands you get screencapped and reported.

I'm sure there are a few people who do that, like I said in the post I made. I've never seen them, and the person I was responding to was complaining about a thread where the OP's expectation was that a DPS player be able to out DPS the tank.

Kellach Woods · **08-05-2015, 08:46 PM**

when will you people learn there is no such thing as a community in a mmo and that everyone is an asshole just out to get +2 dps

LiadansWhisper · **08-06-2015, 12:30 AM**

(08-05-2015, 12:11 PM)Pepe Wrote: I'm sure there are a few people who do that, like I said in the post I made. I've never seen them, and the person I was responding to was complaining about a thread where the OP's expectation was that a DPS player be able to out DPS the tank.

Man, I wish I didn't run into those people. Â I run into them on a fairly regular basis.

Edda · **08-06-2015, 01:30 AM**

(08-05-2015, 11:56 AM)Pepe Wrote: It's 100% reasonable to expect someone who joins a team to expend the bare minimum of effort to carry their weight on the team in this game. If you are pulling Crystal Tower levels of DPS at max level content, you are the asshole. If you have an expectation that strangers should take time out of their day to teach you your class when it's easy as shit to just google up one of the very helpful guides that nice people wrote for everyone, you are the fucking asshole here.

Very few people expect anyone to deal savage level DPS in a dungeon. People who post threads like the one you linked just want you to carry your weight.

Pretty much this.

Barring skilled techniques and tricks, the game pretty much holds your hand in terms of teaching you how to play your job adequately, though the system itself, and via other players. I do not expect Savage-tier raiders in every DF Expert Roulette I run. I do not mind helping people with any questions they may have about their job. I have no issue pointing people in the right direction when it comes to playing the best that they can. However, I do not join an Expert Roulette so I, a WHM, have to do over half of the damage of two DPS so we can finish the run in just under an hour.

No one expects greatness, and if they do, they are an asshole. And yet, by failing to perform at even a mediocre level, so too are you. In a subscription based MMO, time is money, and players that cannot do even 1/5 of what they are required to waste not only their own time and money, but that of others.

Kellach Woods · **08-06-2015, 06:22 AM**

oh man i can't wait until mlg finally puts ffxiv in their roster these dudes are gonna make EVERY THE MONEY.

DeathGodSkeith · **08-09-2015, 02:14 PM**

If you are having that much trouble in DF, grab a few Fc members and run your roulettes with them. Duty finder can give you anyone, any attitude and asshole, and any nice guy. If you dont wanna deal with that, grab some friends and run your stuff. This is an mmo and it should be a social experience.

Korin · **08-09-2015, 03:44 PM**

/rant on

The only troubles I've had in DF are when I'm DPSing. That accursed yellow bar in the corner of my screen...When am I even supposed to use it? I'm confident enough, as a melee DPS - Just use it! As a ranged? I don't really know. As a caster...Again, I don't really know. Most of the time I daren't touch it.

Why?

Because there's always one person that'll call you out on it. I've been levelling MCH on Korin lately - It's a nice change from tanking all of the time! I'll usually take a friend or two with me, but naturally you can't wait for your entire FC to be online just to run a couple of dungeons for the exp...

So we were in Sohm Al. My pet DPS was a black mage - So we had two ranged LBs. Lovely! First boss, no one was killing the bees - When I was levelling as a tank, everyone killed the bees! Now a fair few of these bees were pulled in with the healer. LB bar was full - So I had a moment of "oh, I may as well just use this now - Kill off the bees, damage the boss, no one will take that AoE damage..."

And then the tank, after his long silence, finally decided to speak.
"Why oh why would you do that?"

I wasn't aware that a limit break held that much significance in such a dungeon, to be honest. Admittedly, I'm starting to think no one bothers to use it precisely because of people like that particular tank. The bar would've filled up by the time we'd reached the next boss anyway, right? It isn't going to hinder our chances of success, is it?

Personally I don't really care much for who uses LB and when - I tend to just hassle my dragoon if she hasn't used it on a bossfight yet and that's that. But in pugs, no one really bothers to call LB before the boss is dead.

/rant off

That aside, what I really want to ask is - What situations do people expect (ranged) DPS to use that LB on, and when? Am I thinking too hard into this? It's the first time I've really been called out on it, so I'm forever panicking over whether or not I should use it now ;_;

DeathGodSkeith · **08-09-2015, 03:54 PM**

Honestly the lb doesnt mean anything in 4 man content. The normal dungeons are made to be easier content for everyone to enjoy. LB is more of a tool for more challenging content. Personally if ive noticed my pugs not using the lb ill just blow it randomly as a whm or sch for lulz.

Sounsyy · **08-09-2015, 04:09 PM**

(08-09-2015, 03:44 PM)Vinrael Wrote: That aside, what I really want to ask is - What situations do people expect (ranged) DPS to use that LB on, and when? Am I thinking too hard into this? It's the first time I've really been called out on it, so I'm forever panicking over whether or not I should use it now ;_;

I've found that ranged/caster LB is more useful outside of boss fights on large trash pulls. Both ranged and caster LBs are more effective against multiple adds, and in most Heavensward dungeon bosses, multiple overbearing adds rarely come into play. So... use it on a trash heavy section to clear a room quickly.

In the Vault, for example, towards the last boss there's a room with a Priest who summons four winged statues. Ranged/Caster LB makes short work of those adds. In Sohm Al, ranged/caster LB can be used against the massive assault of dragons and their adds shortly after the... second boss I think? But if a situation never really arises where there's a large contingent of adds, save LB for a melee dps to hit a boss with. It's not really a big deal in all honesty. The damage done by an LB1 could probably be near-equaled by the melee dps just keeping up his damage in the time it takes to cast. Good clutch burst though if you truly need it.

A little off topic, but the Rafflesia boss at the start of Sohm Al can be killed without ever killing bees. By having all DPS focus the boss, bees can be ignored so long as no one actively points Rafflesia's draw-in towards the bees, hastening the stack increase. If you just straight burn, can kill the boss with just a few bees swallowed, and the healer can aoe heal through it. But this strategy isn't necessarily 'the best' for every party setup. If you have low dps or a healer you don't trust, I would just do mechanics normally.

Korin · **08-09-2015, 05:38 PM**

(08-09-2015, 04:09 PM)Sounsyy Wrote:
(08-09-2015, 03:44 PM)Vinrael Wrote: That aside, what I really want to ask is - What situations do people expect (ranged) DPS to use that LB on, and when? Am I thinking too hard into this? It's the first time I've really been called out on it, so I'm forever panicking over whether or not I should use it now ;_;

I've found that ranged/caster LB is more useful outside of boss fights on large trash pulls. Both ranged and caster LBs are more effective against multiple adds, and in most Heavensward dungeon bosses, multiple overbearing adds rarely come into play. So... use it on a trash heavy section to clear a room quickly.

It's never occurred to me to use it on trashpulls - Again, simply because I've witnessed people being called out on it in the past. It's something I'd never bring myself to do in a pug group because of this - I'll say my greetings, on occasion I'll have to remind the tank that they forgot to activate their tank stance (usually after the first pull where we're all ripping enmity), and then the rest of the dungeon will be done in complete silence...So it's really become a matter of "keep your head down and keep up your DPS". I'm quite curious to try what you mentioned in the vault, though...

I have to admit with a pug healer I'm somewhat reluctant to try burning down that Rafflesia boss - I've occasionally been called to ignore the bees, which I do when asked, but otherwise it's a little awkward. I don't really want to be the one wiping the group - At the same time, I don't want to be 'that guy' slowing them down. The sad fact is that I'm not a mind reader, despite what a lot of these groups seem to think. ;; I do appreciate the advice though! I don't really get to limit break as a tank for obvious reasons, so when they suddenly add this DPS limit break to the ranged...I'm still a little out of my depth.

Quote:Honestly the lb doesnt mean anything in 4 man content. The normal dungeons are made to be easier content for everyone to enjoy. LB is more of a tool for more challenging content. Personally if ive noticed my pugs not using the lb ill just blow it randomly as a whm or sch for lulz.

That's pretty much what I thought. I don't mind being called out if I'm doing something wrong - But sometimes I do feel like people are just out for conflict. If they're going to apply their own rules to how it's used, then they should say something beforehand, surely? If they want the LB used on a trashpull, perhaps they should ask - Because the attitude I received from the tank made me doubt myself a little. I levelled to 50, for the most part, asking people when they needed me to LB - Eventually it got to the point where it was "eh, just use it on the boss"! And I was comfortable enough that I eventually stopped asking.

I know it's just 4-man content and, for me, it probably will always be 4-man content! But it's there to be used, right? If - like you say - It's a situation where no one uses it, and you're popping LB as a healer just for the sake of it...I do wonder if most people don't know it's there, or if they're just unsure when and where is a good time to use it.

Probably just rambling now on my part, though. I'm not thick skinned, but I know it's a wee bit sad that I'd show up to rant about some guy scolding me over my LB use >.> When I should really be going "eh, screw that guy! Moving on!"

Manari · **08-25-2015, 07:47 PM**

This has been bothering me for a while now. And someone correct me if I'm wrong about this, I haven't done any research, only assumptions.

I hate now that every bard finally has a stupid DPS limit break, they start mashing it every time a blue limit bar turns yellow. I could have easily finished off a boss but no, the bard wants to fire his silly AoE line and it does sad damage. I'm only assuming mine as a Ninja would do more since it's single target, and its making me mad. Mages don't ever do this to me. Only bards.

Lamiaris · **08-25-2015, 09:59 PM**

I know this might not be considered a rant or a vent, but I'm just really confused!
I keep hearing and reading that people are saying that healers are getting all the hate and all the bashing by group members, kicks included and such..

But in playing Scholar pretty consistently in all of my duty finder groups for about a month.. Everyone's been very nice and understanding o.o Nobody hated on me for anything I was doing and I was constantly getting compliments.

Could someone please tell me where these haters are? o.o I'd love (AKA hate) to meet my first example of one.. Or am I just incredibly lucky?

Kage · **08-26-2015, 10:59 AM**

(08-25-2015, 07:47 PM)Manari Wrote: This has been bothering me for a while now. Â And someone correct me if I'm wrong about this, I haven't done any research, only assumptions. Â

I hate now that every bard finally has a stupid DPS limit break, they start mashing it every time a blue limit bar turns yellow. Â I could have easily finished off a boss but no, the bard wants to fire his silly AoE line and it does sad damage. Â I'm only assuming mine as a Ninja would do more since it's single target, and its making me mad. Â Mages don't ever do this to me. Â Only bards.

It's a small difference but you are correct. Melee Limit Break will do a little more damage than Physical Ranged Limit break.

But you have to ask, why aren't you mashing it? The only time I can think of where Limit Break really should be held is to kill BrayHM Last Boss before the big bomb phase. Maybe just use it for a specific big pull (Wanderer's Palace NM Last pull anyone). You could have finished him off, but you didn't. Why was he hitting it faster than you? Was he mashing it right when it hit? Why would you not be?

Getting mad over limit break is really just a meh thing. There's no reason to not use it as soon as possible if it's not being used for a specific purpose than to "SPECIAL FINISHERRRR"

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