Hydaelyn Role-Players

Agreed.  At this point I'd be nervous about pulling up the stakes and moving our Company to another server, even a designated RP server.  Most of us have settled in.  We may have friends on Gilgamesh that wouldn't be willing to move, or those that don't realize the new server was open.  If Squeenix was going to do this, they should have done it a whole lot earlier (preferably before beta 3).  Ironically, at the midnight hour here I'm hoping they *don't* open a dedicated RP server, as I'd rather not have the headache.

Great feedback, thank you.  Sounds like Gilgamesh will be better for me as someone getting back into the RP mind set.  In other words, not shouting profanities at the noob healer that just fell to his death.

.... but.... but.... but....

it's FUN!

... Y U gotta steal my funz away?

*stalks off*



((See you on Gilgamesh!   Be sure to check out the Linkshells, we have a few going on Gilga... but always room for J.E.L-erm.. that is, more... if you don't find one to suit your fancy))

If SE did give us an official RP Server it probably won't be for at least six months after launch, since this was around the time he stated they would open all servers to all characters, including allowing Legacy characters to transfer to any server they wanted. At that point there would no longer be such a thing as a Legacy or Non-Legacy server, so they could easily designate any server they wanted as the RP Server.

As a curiosity however, and I hope this doesn't spark an argument but a peaceful debate, since Yoshida has shown he does pay attention to fansites in the community, what if he decided to declare Balmung the official RP server? Would the members from Gilgamesh come to Balmung, or would they still decide to stay on their own server?

I spent a fair amount of time on Cactuar during phase 3 and there was Rp'ing going on there. I imagine other servers were similar too. With that in mind I would hope that an official RP server would be a different animal from the current Balmung, if it attracted Rp'ers from all over that is.

I would definitely try it out as that would be the closest thing to an actual living world of RP as opposed to pockets of RP happening here and there.

Well even if we did get an official RP server designation, I imagine there would still be micro communities on other servers outside of that one. Either people who weren't already RPers who got interested in it and formed LS/FC on their current server, people who were on other servers and didn't want to move to another server, or any number of other reasons.

Regardless of that however I know that currently there are at least four servers where RP happens in any noteworthy amount, however I feel that the RP community as a whole, not just us here at RPC, could greatly benefit from a unified community where all of the different groups from all the different servers were all in one place together.

Speaking from a personal point of view there are a lot of times when I'm sad to see people who are on Gilgamesh, not because I want everyone to join Balmung, but because there are so many great roleplayers in this community and I know a lot of them I'll never get to meet in game and experience RP with them, simply because of the rift in servers. Now if you imagine that it's not just Gilgamesh, but there could be other smaller communities out there as well filled with wonderful RPers we'll never even meet, even on the RPC, but that we could all be brought together if we had an official server. Or at least most of us would be brought together.

(08-05-2013, 01:01 PM)Ashren Snow Wrote: [ -> ]As a curiosity however, and I hope this doesn't spark an argument but a peaceful debate, since Yoshida has shown he does pay attention to fansites in the community, what if he decided to declare Balmung the official RP server? Would the members from Gilgamesh come to Balmung, or would they still decide to stay on their own server?

Down with Balmung, booooo!

...

...yeah I personally wouldn't care.  As it goes with many of these things I'll hope to go with the flow, though I'd expect a free transfer.  I suspect, though, the RP population on Gilgamesh will be large enough where they'd probably just hang.

(08-05-2013, 01:58 PM)Ashren Snow Wrote: [ -> ]Speaking from a personal point of view there are a lot of times when I'm sad to see people who are on Gilgamesh, not because I want everyone to join Balmung, but because there are so many great roleplayers in this community and I know a lot of them I'll never get to meet in game and experience RP with them, simply because of the rift in servers. Now if you imagine that it's not just Gilgamesh, but there could be other smaller communities out there as well filled with wonderful RPers we'll never even meet, even on the RPC, but that we could all be brought together if we had an official server. Or at least most of us would be brought together.

This accurately describes my own feelings on the subject. What was once a very simple decision for me when I signed up for this community is now something I often mull over, now that I've gotten to know some of the people who will be on Gilgamesh (as an example)... their concepts and their ideas. I'd like to become involved with the community, and I identify with their motivations for splitting, but I don't want to spread myself too thinly. 

Knowing that there might even be other servers where micro-communities are going to spring up makes me wish even more that we had an easy way to unify things in-game. Even if it was something at the social infrastructure level, such as cross-server channels, groups (with being able to see the other players), or similar. Forum roleplays and such are one way, but in my opinion, that's only part of the experience.

It does sadden me that SE hasn't tackled this issue, when I do feel they had time to do it prior to server transfers being closed.

I am going to attempt to play Poe on both servers but like many have discussed, I am fearful of spreading myself thin. I am willing to give it a shot though because characters and concepts on both servers really intrigue me and I am feeling bummed out that I might miss some awesome rp

(08-05-2013, 02:11 PM)sanguineFenrir Wrote: [ -> ]Forum roleplays and such are one way, but in my opinion, that's only part of the experience.

These only go so far however, and in some ways are actually kind of disheartening. Let's say you're on Balmung and I'm on Gilgamesh. You create an open RP thread for anyone to join, this lasts over the span of weeks, or months, the two of us become really good friends throughout that time, but in game we have a substantial amount of investment in our servers, or merely our characters on those servers, so merely hopping from one to the other is not really a viable option. Sure we can create alts, but over the past few months we've been roleplaying as the characters we have been currently playing, this means that any relationships or bonds that form in a forum RP never transcend the forum RP, we'll never meet in game, never play together, never be a part of the same circles.

Several months down the road Gilgamesh' status as the Non-Legacy Server will become irrelevant because Legacy and Non-Legacy players will be on equal footing, at that point it's just RPC Server 1 and RPC Server 2. This is why I feel that the community as a whole, not just RPC, could greatly benefit from a single dedicated server (and the opportunity to freely transfer to that server) once the whole Legacy debate is no longer relevant.

This is not to say that Gilgamesh will ever become irrelevant as a home for RP if we don't gain an official server from SE, just that right now their main selling point is "we're new." Once the majority of the RPers on that server reach level 50, and the LS and FC all become well established as parts of the community, they lose that claim and they're no different from Balmung, and that could happen in only a few months, let alone in six months.

Edit: Ultimately though, I still think we will get a dedicated server, I just think that SE is seeing the division in their community between Legacy and Non-Legacy, and in the long run this is only a temporary thing. If they created an entirely new server (as opposed to adding a designation to an existing server) they would need to determine whether Legacy characters could transfer to it, or to treat it like all the new 2.0 servers. In the event Legacy players could transfer to it, all non-Legacy players would view it as just another Legacy server and stay away from it, if they restricted it to new players only all the Legacy players would opt to stay on their own server rather than roll new.

The best solution for this would be to wait until there's less of a gap between new and old players, then either create a new server or designate an old server as RP, allow for server transfers temporarily, and then allow the players to decide whether they want to join the new server or stay where they are. However with that said, the smaller gap between the two sides of the fence would make it much easier for the two sides to integrate together.

(08-05-2013, 12:36 PM)Adelpha Wrote: [ -> ]Since we already basically have a consensus-based Legacy and Non-Legacy RP server, I'm not sure what an official designation at this late stage would really do, aside from probably cause even more trouble.

The RPC may have a consensus, but that's definitely not the case for the broader RP community. The non-Balmung RP section is extremely divided across three or four servers, if the beta forums are anything to go by. It's incredibly frustrating. -_-

I will continue hoping that SE designates an official RP server.

(08-05-2013, 02:39 PM)Ashren Snow Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-05-2013, 02:11 PM)sanguineFenrir Wrote: [ -> ]Forum roleplays and such are one way, but in my opinion, that's only part of the experience.

These only go so far however, and in some ways are actually kind of disheartening.... cont'd...

 That's what I meant by the forums only being part of the experience. Yes, they're interesting, but one actually doesn't get the experience of being around the others in a live manner. It's kind of "doing things halfway."

Someone mentioned that the executive producer likes to read fansites, so maybe he'll notice the various points of view on this issue and bring it to the attention of the rest of the team, if we get lucky. Re-rolling in case a different server was officially designated would be inconvenient if we chose to do it, but I think it would go part of the way towards bridging the schisms you mentioned.

Most of us rolling Gilg are doing so because we want a new start on a non-legacy server. Having Balmung tagged as the official RP server wouldn't change that and would only trigger a wider train wreck. SE should have dealt with this a *lot* sooner...

(08-05-2013, 02:42 PM)Naunet Wrote: [ -> ]The non-Balmung RP section is extremely divided across three or four servers, if the beta forums are anything to go by. It's incredibly frustrating. -_-

I wouldn't worry about it too much! If people don't have the sense or motivation to google around a bit, figure out that this is the main site for the RP community, and then figure out that Balmung and Gilgamesh are the primary options, it's probably no huge loss if they play on another server anyway! I know that sounds sort of harsh, but it was no issue for our guild to determine that Balmung is where we wanted to be for A Realm Reborn even though 90% of us never played 1.X, myself included.