Hydaelyn Role-Players

There is no competition. Server Balthier has already won all you over.

Baltheir Server. The star of this show.

(08-05-2013, 07:23 PM)ArmachiA Wrote: [ -> ] No one wants to have flying penis's interrupt their interview - but it's happened (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RedLyae4b2s), no one wants a bunch of trolls to take over their entire game - but it happened (EvE). This is what they DO and it's a very real concern, not one you can hand wave off as fear.

Hold on, hold on, time out for a second. Can we just take a moment to look at how funny this video is?

Ahahahahahahahaha. This is hilarious. I found an article from cracked that has more stuff like this if anyone is interested in reading more about awful online things. The WoW plague is one of my favorites now. http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-7-bigges...ne-gaming/

Okay, let normal talk resume!

Edit: It was probably pretty horrible for the people involved, but hiding in the mountains and cultivating and out of control plague at least deserves a giggle.

(07-17-2013, 12:29 AM)Ryuusuizen Wrote: [ -> ]Hello I'm not trying to stoke any flames as both myself and my better half have been anxiously waiting to join an rp community in ffxiv and have been following the HRC community for quite some time now. Both of us are concerned about legacy servers due to our experiences in other mmos and were ready to join Gilgamesh then had recently found this from the beta forums.

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/1...d_results/

There is a worry that the community will degrade because of the nature of reddit... Again I am not trying to cause a panic but it was a bit unsettling seeing the poll results.

 
And who is to say that the reddit community wont make alts on Balmung? Just a thought. I for one am sticking with the Gilgamesh community, there is a strong RP community forming there and I very much want to help it strive and grow even more.

(08-05-2013, 10:03 PM)Isis Wrote: [ -> ]And who is to say that the reddit community wont make alts on Balmung?

The official Reddit legacy server is Excalibur, so we should be safe thankfully.

(08-05-2013, 10:03 PM)Isis Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-17-2013, 12:29 AM)Ryuusuizen Wrote: [ -> ]Hello I'm not trying to stoke any flames as both myself and my better half have been anxiously waiting to join an rp community in ffxiv and have been following the HRC community for quite some time now. Both of us are concerned about legacy servers due to our experiences in other mmos and were ready to join Gilgamesh then had recently found this from the beta forums.

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/1...d_results/

There is a worry that the community will degrade because of the nature of reddit... Again I am not trying to cause a panic but it was a bit unsettling seeing the poll results.

 
And who is to say that the reddit community wont make alts on Balmung? Just a thought. I for one and sticking with the Gilgamesh community, there is a strong RP community forming there and I very much want to help it strive and grow even more.

Even if they make alts, they won't be a regular part of our community like they will be for Gilgamesh.

(08-05-2013, 09:01 PM)Annaveil Wrote: [ -> ]To me (someone coming in with zero experience in either server), it seems more like a competition between servers to win people over than anything else.

I think, in part, it has become more of a "competition" between the "underdogs"(Gilgamesh) and the "old nobility"(Balmung) (I'm being sarcastic as this is how I think both sides see each other). A lot of the replies I see from Gilgamesh supporters gives me the impression that they are fighting for a cause against some kind of regime. They like the idea of fighting against the odds. I see them as the rebels. I think many Gilgamesh players see themselves that way as well (though, I could be wrong) and I can see the appeal to that. The funny thing is, to me the "old guard", as some put it, on Balmung are already greatly outnumbered by the new players AS IS. They will likely be -drowned- out by the new players, and if the game does good this will only keep growing.

Let's face it, to be blunt, many role-players have a sense of stage and theatrics. Well, you can't really feel you have equal stage if you have to fight next to famous "stars"(established role-players on Balmung), right? So I think -one of- the ideas is that moving to a new server will allow some of the new blood to have a chance at establishing themselves as the new "stars" for their new server.

So, okay, that all makes sense, even if it is a little self-serving, but I get it. Problem is, in a couple months, this won't matter -one bit- because if the game does good (crosses fingers) then there will be more waves of new players. This happens in a lot of new MMOs. The early adapters try it out and if they say the water is warm, then a whole bunch of new people come in. And in the case of XIV, due to its past, I bet a lot of people are waiting on the fence.

But in past MMOs when those new players join I rarely have seen them come to an established RP community (and you know we always have one for nearly every MMO that's come out) and say, "Yo, I think we need another server since I'm new and I don't want to play with the established crew." It's almost always, "What's the RP server?" They get an answer and that's that. At the very least, that's how I've always approached it, but maybe I like playing in the same sandbox. XD

But when we get our new waves of players for XIV, what will we tell them? Right now there is an obvious division or flavor between the two servers, but that won't really be the case in a couple months. And what we will really end up with is a genuine split in the community and nothing more. Not two servers with two different flavors, but two unofficial RP servers. Just think about the confusion that will cause a new player.

I'm very much "live and let live." I think in a couple weeks we'll all be playing and this won't really even be a concern of ours. But when things settle, and the honeymoon is over, and we come back to these forums to talk about our adventures, I can only imagine that this will crop up again when a new player joins and we'll all look at each other and go, "Why did we split our community up again?"

To be honest when I was coming back for the new game I did kinda get the impression that I'd have to go Gilgamesh if I wasn't a 'legacy' player.

I have to say I don't understand the need for a second server, are people that upset that...what there'll be some dudes higher level at launch? The whole divide seems pointless and, if I must say, ego driven rather than any real 'need' for the community.

(08-05-2013, 10:44 PM)Averis Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-05-2013, 09:01 PM)Annaveil Wrote: [ -> ]To me (someone coming in with zero experience in either server), it seems more like a competition between servers to win people over than anything else.

I think, in part, it has become more of a "competition" between the "underdogs"(gilgimesh) and the "old nobility"(balmung). A lot of the replies I see from gilgimesh supporters gives me the impression that they are fighting for a cause against some kind of regime. They like the idea of fighting against the odds. I see them as the rebels. I think many see themselves that way as well. And I can see the appeal to that. The funny thing is, to me, that the "old guard", as some put it, on balmung are already greatly outnumbered by the new players AS IS. They will likely be -drowned- out by the new players, and if the game does good this will only keep growing.

Let's face it, to be blunt, many role-players have a sense of stage and theatrics. Well, you can't really be center stage if you have to fight next to famous "stars"(established role-players on balmung), right? So I think -one of- the ideas is that moving to a new server will allow some of the new blood to have a chance at establishing themselves as the new "stars" for their new server.

So, okay, that all makes sense, even if it is a little self-serving, but I get it. Problem is, in a couple months, this won't matter -one bit- because if the game does good (crosses fingers) then there will be more waves of new players. This happens in a lot of new MMOs. The early adapters try it out and if they say the water is warm, then a whole bunch of new people come in. But in those cases, I rarely have seen the new players come to an established RP community (and you know we always have one for nearly every MMO that's come out) and say "Yo, I think we need another server since I'm new and I don't want to play with the established crew." It's almost always "What's the RP server?" They get an answer and that's that.

But when we get our new waves of players for XIV, what will we tell them? Right now there is an obvious division or flavor between the two servers, but that won't really be the case in a couple months. And what we will really end up with is a genuine split in the community and nothing more. Not two servers with two different flavors, but two unofficial RP servers. Just think about the confusion that will cause a new player.

I'm very much "live and let live." I think in a couple weeks we'll all be playing and this won't really even be a concern of ours. But when things settle and the honeymoon is over and we come back to these forums to talk about our adventures, I can only imagine that this will crop up again and we'll all look at each other and go, "Why did we split our community up again?"

Basically all of this, and then this again just for emphasis!

Pretty much right now we can say "If you want to join a stable and established community go Balmung, or if you want to join a new community with a fresh start you can join Gilgamesh." In a few months all we can say is "Well you can join Balmung, or if you like the name better you can join Gilgamesh."

(08-05-2013, 10:52 PM)shotgunbadger Wrote: [ -> ]To be honest when I was coming back for the new game I did kinda get the impression that I'd have to go Gilgamesh if I wasn't a 'legacy' player.

I have to say I don't understand the need for a second server, are people that upset that...what there'll be some dudes higher level at launch? The whole divide seems pointless and, if I must say, ego driven rather than any real 'need' for the community.

This.

It's what many of us on Balmung have been saying.

As I said in another thread, even those of the Legacy players with high level characters will have to do the low level content, just to unlock things like dungeons. Legacy will have to 'trail blaze' just like any other server.. Most of them will be running content with low level/unleveled alts/jobs, because it's an entirely new game from 1.0. As an RPer, storyline is key and we'll want to experience that.

Never did understand the stigma against the LEgacy servers.

(08-05-2013, 10:44 PM)Averis Wrote: [ -> ]So I think -one of- the ideas is that moving to a new server will allow some of the new blood to have a chance at establishing themselves as the new "stars" for their new server.

Definitely the draw of Gilgamesh. Honestly? As a new player, I've even thought about it. I've also known people who have said the same thing and are sticking with their decision. They don't like the idea that some people on Balmung will get a leg up from the get-go. When it came down to it, I decided I don't think it'll matter in a few weeks.

Of course, I can't speak for everyone and have no intention of generalizing everyone into the same pool. I'm sure there are other reasons to join Gilgamesh (or any other server, for that matter).

But I'm just saying.

I kinda wish RPC would pick a single server to "sponsor", and then have another sub-forum for other servers. I guess that's not a popular or particularly nice opinion to have, but...It's just how I feel based on what I've seen on the forums.

(08-05-2013, 10:44 PM)Averis Wrote: [ -> ]I'm very much "live and let live." I think in a couple weeks we'll all be playing and this won't really even be a concern of ours. But when things settle, and the honeymoon is over, and we come back to these forums to talk about our adventures, I can only imagine that this will crop up again when a new player joins and we'll all look at each other and go, "Why did we split our community up again?"

Isn't it obvious?  Some people want the split, for the split's own sake.  Whether you think that's good, or bad, it is what it is.

Now, this next bit is directed at everyone poised to make Gilgamesh their new home:

I think our real concern now that many of us are invested in Gilgamesh to some extent, is how to make the best of things there.  I made a Gilgamesh show yer rp pride post on the official forums, and it degenerated into mud-slinging so fast I didn't have time to find a hose.  There is very real animosity waiting for us there, and we need to do something about it.

I think we need to do something no one expects, or maybe even wants.  We need to be inclusive and welcoming to the very groups people here are worried about.  Reddit has a roleplay community, you know.  They're as excited about this as we are.  I think we, collectively, need to take special steps to show all of these new players that we are not the stereotypes they are dreading having to interact with - that we can be good in raids, that we respect how other people want to play, and so on...

But most of all, that we're something they can appreciate and have fun with beyond event-crashing and nasty tells.  These guys - they're the future of Gilgamesh, and we're the minority.  I think - no, I believe with absolute certainty - that the success of our community on Gilgamesh depends on integrating well with the server's other inhabitants, with the intent of dispelling the stereotype of the gameplay-incompetent, lecherous, isolationist RPer.  (If you need evidence of how strong this stereotype is in the minds of non-RP'ers, you need merely take a quick look at the thread in my sig.)

How will we do this?  We need a new kind of etiquette.  We need to be open about our events, and we need to make them fun for casual observers and drop ins.  The private-party exists to be crashed.  Open doors, good humor, and an unflusterable sense of purpose cannot be crashed.  When twenty or thirty randoms drop in just to see what we're doing, we need to have an attitude in our response to them that says "You have every right to be here; you do not break our immersion by being here, and we can improve yours.  We are fun, and not a burden." 

In short, the easily-offended, elitist, isolationist roleplayer has got to go.

When some trolls mobilize to crash events (and they will), we need to be able to laugh about it.  Not ha-ha you're pathetic laugh, but genuine, bouyant, I think it's all good laugh.

If we can do that, and respect how they want to play, they'll have the opportunity to look at RP in a new light.  And if they do that, we'll have new recruits and new friends to tell tall tales with.

This will most likely be the last thing I say on this thread since it feels like everything else has been said before.

In regards to Gilgamesh as a viable server, it will be exceedingly difficult for a number of reasons. Firstly you're joining a server that already contains a large community that are vehemently against RPers, this means that from day 1 you will be facing opposition, trolling, griefing, and any other number of disheartening behavior. These communities know you're going to be there, they've voiced loudly they don't want you there. Gilgamesh may face retention issues, in this thread alone I believe there are one or two folks saying they were reconsidering their decision not to join Balmung, and an entirely different thread spawning urging the community to vote for another server. This could easily lead to many of the Gilgamesh community members leaving for any of the other viable options based on their tastes. Combine these two things together and you have a very volatile situation; while some have shown to be stalwart in their decision to stay on Gilgamesh, others may lack their conviction, especially in the face of open opposition and prejudice. This assumes of course that things are as bad in game as they are on the internet. An example of this can be seen in the signature of Yeldir, though to be fair the beta forums tend to be open hostile in general. Most people will not want to RP in an environment where they have to fear persecution for enjoying their hobby and will simply move on, perhaps even to another game entirely which is even worse than someone moving on to another server.

As a message directly to the Gilgamesh players; many of you act defensively towards us Balmung players, many of you act somewhat entitled, or demonstrate the very behaviors you claim to be leaving our server to avoid. I see this as nothing more than a different version of the same arguments we see on the beta servers, the Legacy vs. Non-Legacy arguments that fill the General Discussion boards. The fact is you're here as a courtesy, the RPC was originally the BALMUNG RP Community, advocating RP on that server and until this whole Anti-Legacy schism started up everyone here was one big group who could all play together. Now we're not, and even if we can get along here on the forums, we'll never see each other in game, we'll never talk to each other outside of these forums, it stifles creativity because one member may post a thread asking for advice or feedback and other members may look at it and merely dismiss it because that member isn't part of their server. So in closing let me giving you an example of how many people on Balmung feel, and hopefully you can understand the level of irritation that is showing around the community.

Imagine if a friend of yours came to your house and asked if they could crash on your couch. You're both pretty close, so you tell them it's not a problem. At first everything is cool, you're getting along, having fun, doing stuff together but then something changes. Your friend starts eating all your food, using all your toiletries, and in a way they just sort of start taking over your home. The next thing you know your friend starts inviting some of their friends over to hang out as well, and you find you actually get along with some of his friends but you're told you're not aloud to hang out with them, because they're not your friends, they're his. You and your friend could easily share friends, do things together but for whatever reason he adamantly denies you, insisting that his friends remain his friends and nothing else. It leaves you feeling increasingly frustrated because all of these people are in your house, and even though you all could have got along and played together peacefully, your friend insists on keeping you and him segregated.

Anyways, that's about all I have to say on this topic. I wish people could get over their fears, intolerance, or whatever so that this small group of people could be whole again and we can all play together, but I don't see that happening unless the powers that be made a stand and no longer supported Gilgamesh directly. That's just my opinion however. I don't think anyone should be forced to join one server or another, but I don't think splitting everyone up like we have been is doing this community any good either.

I really don't see what people are fussing over. 
Everyone sees "Reddit/4chan might be here.." and everyone loses their heads.
Fact is, trolls will be trolls regardless of whether there is a recognized name attached or not.
In my opinion, if I survived the cesspool that is WoWs community, I can make it anywhere.

On another note, to judge the "quality" or "quantity" of rp  on any server before the game has even gone fully live, and even for a while after it has, is simply asinine. There are a lot of variables that could just make you out to look like a jerk for jumping the gun and making generalizations about people. Even after a community is established, "good rp" is subjective.

So let's all take a breather, unrussel those jimmies and just enjoy the game and have some damn FUN.

Ashren, we are not "bad guests" for wanting to start a new community on Gilgamesh.  The powers that be are not going to step in to right the great wrong, because no one's wrong, here.  Everyone's going to do what they enjoy most.  Every new player who rolls Balmung because they want an established community is as good and right as every person who comes to Gilgamesh for the uphill battle of forging a new one. 

This site isn't Balmung-roleplayers.com, and the intent of the good folks who run the place is clearly to facilitate and unite.  If you want to talk about division, then you need to look no further than your idea of withdrawing official support for Gilgamesh.  You do that and we're off to make our own website. 

That truly is a worst case scenario.  There is nothing about that situation that is good.  As things are now, all the potential new roleplaying chums jumping on board have the opportunity to examine the situation on both servers, on one website, and make the choice that suits them best.  That's how it should be, and that's how it is.

I will agree that Gilgamesh has a tremendous challenge ahead of it, in establishing itself in potentially hostile territory.  It will take a good deal of patience and good humor when the trolls come out to play.

(08-06-2013, 05:49 AM)Yeldir Melfusor Wrote: [ -> ]Ashren, we are not "bad guests" for wanting to start a new community on Gilgamesh.  The powers that be are not going to step in to right the great wrong, because no one's wrong, here.  Everyone's going to do what they enjoy most.  Every new player who rolls Balmung because they want an established community is as good and right as every person who comes to Gilgamesh for the uphill battle of forging a new one. 

This site isn't Balmung-roleplayers.com, and the intent of the good folks who run the place is clearly to facilitate and unite.  If you want to talk about division, then you need to look no further than your idea of withdrawing official support for Gilgamesh.  You do that and we're off to make our own website. 

That truly is a worst case scenario.  There is nothing about that situation that is good.  As things are now, all the potential new roleplaying chums jumping on board have the opportunity to examine the situation on both servers, on one website, and make the choice that suits them best.  That's how it should be, and that's how it is.

I will agree that Gilgamesh has a tremendous challenge ahead of it, in establishing itself in potentially hostile territory.  It will take a good deal of patience and good humor when the trolls come out to play.

And that my friend is the attitude you want. We knew that when we rolled on Jade Quarry to RP, PVE and PVP on Guild Wars 2. We did very well despite being in hostile territory but when people saw we could kick butt in PVP, rock in PVE dungeons and still have fun RP storylines. It changed the tune there until we retired from GW2.