Zedrick Pendragon

As someone who did play XI, a lot, I can go on record as saying Vana'diel has as much in common with Eorzea as . Aside from the races looking sort of similar, there's nothing at all that repeats from XI to XIV. That's why I was pointing out that XI is as admissible as Marvel and WWE and DC and Whatever are. Someone from XI might have seen a Chocobo, but someone from Middle Earth might be more familiar with giant chickens too. It doesn't work too great when you get down to it. Seriously GTFO a FUCKEN CHOCOBO IS A FUCKEN CHOCOBO! THE RESEMBLANCE IS OBVIOUS. Seriously this guy.... playing someone from FFXI is not the same as playing someone from middle earth.

You called me a close-minded buffoon. You don't really get to say you welcomed everyone's opinion when you jumped on me for disagreeing with you. That's not how this works. The problem with telling people these things on the internet is that everything you've said is still here to scroll up to. Do I like it? No. I still think it is a terrible, terrible idea and I'll never like it. So there goes "merely backpedaling." All I'm saying with the Superman argument, is that I can't stop you and I'm not worried about your personal enjoyment so do whatever you want. You paid for this game. It is yours to play as you choose. I don't know why you're trying to make me your enemy for disagreeing with you. Or why, given the implied audience of the quoted post, you're trying to ridicule me in front of the rest of the thread. And while we're at it, since I made that comment about how everyone can scroll up earlier, might as well be fair: Yes, I spoke in generalizations. Yes, I could've been more polite. But I needed to adequately get my opinion across without another pampering "It'll be hard!" response. And from my experience (MAYBE NOT YOURS HURHUR) those generalizations are fairly accurate. Do what you want. Play the game how you want. But if you were going to play the game how you wanted to begin with anyway and you think I'm close minded for my opinion, why did you even put up this thread to begin with? As mush as you try to argue that "I don't like it" is a credible reason for posting an opinion you are a troll. I didn't ask for babying, I'm clearly stating plausibility of my Character coming from FFXI and how it's not so far fetched as everyone makes it seem. Everyone else is blowing it out of proportion stating the reason's why I should is because it's stupid. I want a good reason as to why a back story like this isn't Plausible. Which none of they Nay Sayers have been able to achieve. I'm not looking to be special, or be the time travelling world hopping hero. Understand that his displacement where a sheer acident and he's just a displaced man trying to figure out where, when and how of it all. To see if there's any possibility of getting home. The fact that no one can prove to me why this isn't Plausible beyond the "It's two different games" and the "It's just plain dumb" Doesn't deter me from my course. In fact it merely strength's my resolve that this is a plausible and interesting storyline. There are very striking similarities between both games that would allow for this to be possible and not overtly out of place. So again why wouldn't this back story work?

If you can rationalize being a stranger in a strange land with no history, no backstory, and no attachment to the XIV story then nothing is stopping you. THESE ARE THINGS YOU SHOULDN'T IGNORE THOUGH. Galka are NOT Roegadyan, and Vana'diel is NOT Eorzea. There's nothing to stop you from being a legacy-character, but I would ask what purpose being one would serve? Vana'diel and its history would just isolate you more from general RP. The thing is that he doesn't want to ignore those things. He wants his character to experience learning about these things from an IC perspective. It actually offers up a lot of play for those who are willing to see his character as strange, odd, or otherwise queer because of his opinions, views, and beliefs on the world, or on the flip side of that, because he should know things, and instead knows so little. That puts out a lot of starting points for RP and actually gives a lot of plot hooks that people could get into. Hell, just generalized RP, walk-ups with a lot of 'Hi, how are ya' could be interesting if his character isn't familiar with local customs. Speaking of Vana'diel and other lands, if these lands have no influence on Eorzea at all, why are bits and pieces of Vana'diel mentioned here and there in FFXIV items? I don't recall where, but I think at one point is was almost theorized that Eorzea was an alternate version of some kind of weird transitioned AU of Vana'diel as a way of connecting them. Final Fantasy is notorious for alternate versions of a world, world skipping, connecting games, and other similar links between titles in the franchise. It hits a point where the argument begins to boil down to "Yes, you can do this, and you can even make this seem plausible and interesting, but it means I'll have to make more effort to figure out how my character would react to someone being so different, so don't do it so I don't have to try and interact with you." Allow me to begin by saying you're completely correct: There's nothing wrong (and in some respects, you're benefitted) with being an off-worlder. You are, of course, completely ignorant of the world you're roleplaying in. That's not necessarily bad! Some folks are patient enough to put up with someone showing up and not knowing any better. Some folks, of course, are also liable to not give a single fuck as to your world-hopping backstory. None of the XI lore carries over in an overt way - The races aren't the same, the world isn't the same, and everything you know is wrong. As mentioned earlier, you FFXI character is as-believable as someone RPing Captain America or Jon Snow in FFXIV. They know nothing, ain't from around here and don't know better. No one will stop you from playing such a character, but you might find some folks unwilling to RP with you. These aren't the same thing, after all. See people keep saying that it's no different then RPing as Captain America, or Jon Snow when that is completely wrong. If Captain America saw a Chocobo he'd be like "HOLY HELL, THAT'S A BIG CHICKEN." There are Chocobo's in Final Fantasy XI, just like there is a Garuda, Shiva, Titan. These things translate into Familiarity for a Character like mine. Just like the Job classes, Moogles' and Airship. These are all things this Character would perceive as relatively familiar. The setting is different. Galka are not Rogaedyn, but they share Familiar characteristics. Even though there's a stranger world in front of him there's a familiarity to it that wouldn't completely through the Eorzean inhabitants for a loop. They might think "HOLY CRAP WHY IS HE TRYING TO SHAKE TITAN'S HAND!!!" Cause in XI Titan was summon able and not a Primal. RPing as Cap or Superman or Jon Snow isn't the same. There would be ALOT my character doesn't understand.... But there's still things that would be Familiar to him, unlike Cap, or Jon Snow.

If you can rationalize being a stranger in a strange land with no history, no backstory, and no attachment to the XIV story then nothing is stopping you. THESE ARE THINGS YOU SHOULDN'T IGNORE THOUGH. Galka are NOT Roegadyan, and Vana'diel is NOT Eorzea. There's nothing to stop you from being a legacy-character, but I would ask what purpose being one would serve? Vana'diel and its history would just isolate you more from general RP. The thing is that he doesn't want to ignore those things. He wants his character to experience learning about these things from an IC perspective. It actually offers up a lot of play for those who are willing to see his character as strange, odd, or otherwise queer because of his opinions, views, and beliefs on the world, or on the flip side of that, because he should know things, and instead knows so little. That puts out a lot of starting points for RP and actually gives a lot of plot hooks that people could get into. Hell, just generalized RP, walk-ups with a lot of 'Hi, how are ya' could be interesting if his character isn't familiar with local customs. Speaking of Vana'diel and other lands, if these lands have no influence on Eorzea at all, why are bits and pieces of Vana'diel mentioned here and there in FFXIV items? I don't recall where, but I think at one point is was almost theorized that Eorzea was an alternate version of some kind of weird transitioned AU of Vana'diel as a way of connecting them. Final Fantasy is notorious for alternate versions of a world, world skipping, connecting games, and other similar links between titles in the franchise. It hits a point where the argument begins to boil down to "Yes, you can do this, and you can even make this seem plausible and interesting, but it means I'll have to make more effort to figure out how my character would react to someone being so different, so don't do it so I don't have to try and interact with you." I 100% agree with this post. I don't think it's my lack of knowledge, intuition or storytelling at all I simply don't see why people won't RP this with me. Mainly because it makes it too difficult for them as opposed to me maybe. I actually didn't think of it that way but you bring up a very Valid point.

Wait. Wait, wait, wait. I mean...opposing statements in the same post aside, how is the fact that the settings are different equate to "close minded opinion"? Dude. Ok. You like FFXI. I do too! I played it for like five years. Bahamut server, represent. Vana'Diel and Eorzea aren't the same thing, and I'd be super interested to hear why it is you want a character from the former to come to the latter. What's the point? Why do it? Here's something constructive. I don't know if you'll actually take it as such, but here it is anyway: Shoehorning goofy things into a plotline just jars your reader. How many longtime Star Wars fans are really stoked about midichlorians? How many Star Trek fans just love Q? If Gandalf showed up in a Jurassic Park movie, would you applaud the character's presence? How much do you like "slash" fanfiction, in which Harry Potter becomes a vampire and bones the brains out of Hello Kitty? What you're proposing is pretty similar. Not in content, but in execution. This bandying about if "oh, but it's difficult!" is a soft-sell on "don't do it, it's stupid." I think you can handle being told "don't do it, it's stupid." I think you're grown up enough to not need me, or Tancred, or anyone else coddle you on the matter of makebelieve. Here's another interesting thing. You know...let's say if I calculated the trajectory of a projectile wrong? I wouldn't go and find a support group that'd pat my back, and say "Don't worry about them! You didn't do anything wrong! It was the fault of physics for not obeying you! You're a shining star, and could not possibly have to re-evaluate what it was you were doing!" I wouldn't do this, because then I would never learn anything. At all. Ever. Do you see the parallel? That's because there is no real search for feedback beyond "It's great, you're great, let's all just tell eachother we're great." The forum has no idea what constructive criticism actually is, because it's mandated we all pretend to love eachother like precious little harmonious angels we are, and in that mandate is a firm belief that all ideas are good. Even though no, they aren't. This one, guy? This one is a bad idea. Keep your writing and your characters simple. Make some sense maybe?

I never called anyone elitist or mean. Close minded but I've welcomed every single opinion. Even if it didn't agree with my own. I have been civil and read everyone ones Opinion, and didn't like Tancred's first post because it was short, and didn't offer insight his second was an opinion on not liking "from another world" aspect. He didn't come at me with credible difficulties, or supportive fact based reasoning as to why it's an ill advised recommendation. It was simply "I just don't like it. So it's ridiculous." His Superman comment is merely a backpedaling statement. Cause clearly if I got the " ol' thumbs up" as you claim Tancred we wouldn't need a debate on right or wrong good idea or bad. I'd simply be.... "Right on go for it."

I guess my next question is, if I do choose to proceed with this obviously difficult RPing storyline does anyone know any Supportive fun roleplaying FC that would allow this sort of thing?

Negative. Actually let me edit this, the character can do what the writer can, not what you deem is appropriate. It might not even be minor considering if they can write up a good story, their differing background may be more enjoyable to interact with. Lol really? This is like when you ask your teacher if you can go to the bathroom in third grade and she says "DURR I DON'T KNOW, CAN YOU?" Replace "can't" with "shouldn't" and add in "because this is ridiculous" As for the second part of this: If you rely on a universe-hopping gimmick to make your character interesting, you should try sitting down and re-evaluating what you think makes a good character. "I'm from another world" is more annoying to most RPers than it is intriguing. If I picked up a book that was based entirely on being from a different desert town than the current desert town, I'd throw it in a fire. You shouldn't do this, because it is not good writing. It is a writing supplement. No one will think this is clever and fun, and most people will avoid you. Save yourself the heartache. Just switch some words around. These settings are not so different that you could never recreate the magic you had in FFXI's story. But yes, as was unnecessarily and ludicrously pointed out, you CAN if you want. TECHNICALLY. Tancred I appreciate your insight now that it's more clear, but this is still conjecture, and regulated opinion. You're forcing you're close minded opinion on me and trying to pass it off as the opinion of "many other" when obviously you're opinion on this thread is solitary. I've heard the opinions of Unnamed Merc, basically stating that it's possible but ill advise due to difficulty, and those that full one support my claim. You however have merely stated "don't do it, because I don't like" clearly you are entitled to your opinion, but if you don't like it, stop reading this thread. Clearly you have nothing constructive to add.

On the other hand, SE's made it Canon in game features that stuff from other worlds just sneaks into FFXIV all the time - Shantoto's special appearances, Lightning's guest appearance week, Cloud and Squall on TT cards, The Gold Saucer (coincidence there, but a big one) and the like. If someone wants to be from another linked world, they're frankly no more guilty of busting the 4th wall and the lore than SE themselves. They might have a tough time of it, but you can't waggle a finger at them without waggling that same finger at the whole franchise. You're gonna need a bigger finger. This is an excellent point. I want to make clear that while I could not do so (having never played FFXI, I imagine it'd be hard for me to have a character there), it's not an impossible situation to be in. But even in the crossovers, the game has explained that it was through extraordinary or unknown powers that allowed people outside of this realm to have crossed over into the FFXIV universe. But like many of the other things RPers wave fingers at, would a person from Vana'Diel be quick to admit they are from another world? I'd rank it about as high on the "potential for people to overreact" meter as say, being a WHM in public to people who know what a WHM is and the "rules" behind it. Or a BLM publicly casting a flare in the city to proclaim he's learned the dark arts or something. For public RP, it'd likely ruffle a lot of people's feathers. I would suggest keeping such knowledge private or among a small/trusted group. Eorzea is pretty open to outsiders. Now everyone needs to say where they're from, right? So I totally see where this is coming from, but.... I've never explained this IC. Merely played an Amnesiac, again like Tidus does in FFX. I told the recruits via OOC chat kind of where I wanted to come from.... Apparently this is too much, but out of respect I wouldn't want to drop this bomb later, only for them to be like "Nope you can't do it." Then throw everything I RPed out the window for however long I choose to withhold that Info.

Unnamed Merc, and Telluride thank you for credible example and comments. Tancred you're buffoonery is not welcome nor appreciated here. Your reasoning is not credible to explain why I can't have a character from FFXI roleplayed here in FFXIV. Unnamed Merc in response to your comment, I don't disregard FFXIV lore. I love the lore, but I thought it would be fun to explore the RP aspects as a Character from a different World. Kinda of like Tidus in Final Fantasy X. Mysteriously transported to another time or World. With similarities between the two it'd be fun to play confused yet sure he knows of this world, then be questioned at every turn. As far as what made him the class he is. FFXIV 14 makes that simple to by pass as a simple weapon of choice as opposed to a Job like in FFXI. Equip a Spear you're called a drg. As opposed to talking to your Moogle to change your job. Simply put I'm not seeking to be all powerful or important, I just chose to come from a different background with a different understanding of the world around me.... Namely clueless. It is absolutely not a Disregard of Lore, more of an IC learning of it. Telluride thank you for backing my claim with a credible example that it's not farfetched.

There's something that's been bothering me as of late. I just returned to FFXIV and decided I wanted to Roleplay again. So I server jumped or to Balmung. I have had the hardest time finding a good RP FC because I RP as being from Vana'Diel. Sometime during the Wings expansion my Character was sucked through a Cavernous Maw and Ended up in Eorzea. But this is too lore bending for those FC's, and I don't understand why? First and foremost I understand that FFXI, AND FFXIV ARE DIFFERENT GAMES SET IN DIFFERENT WORLDS. So before anyone jumps on me for that let's get that out of the way. Ok here we go with my rebuttal. FFXI, and FFXIV are two different games with two different worlds, with strikingly common similarities. Hyur, Hume. Galka, Roegadyn. Mithra, Mi'qoute. Tarutaru, Lalafell. There's even a damn Lalafell in the main quest line named Tataru. Gustaberg, and Thanalan have very similar landscapes as does Bastok compared too Ul'Dah. So with all these similarities is it SOOOOOOO farfetched and lore bending to have a Character from Vana'Diel? I've even RPed that my character is ill, due to the adverse affects on his body due to the Aether, which he isn't use too, yet still I get turned down left and right by FC's stating that this is too lore bending. The similarities between the 2 games are uncanny. Granted same developer but that makes it even more plausible that these worlds have something in common and exist parallel to each other in either time or Universe. I could see complaints of lore breaking if my character were from WoW or Tera, Guild Wars, but is it too much to be from a world that could Very well be interpreted as an extremely alternate time like say far in the future, or past. Or even a parallel universe Running right along side each other. Anyone else have any thoughts on this subject?

I'd like to join the Crimson Wolves.

I like to think that Eorzea, and Vana'diel are the same place from a different time. We know that we are in the 7th age. maybe Vana'diel is like the Third age or something like that. I like to Rp that my character is from Vana'diel but got sucked into a Voidmaw from Wing expansion and ended up in Eorzea.