ChaosMAJORA

That's entirely possible - my work schedule can leave me on at strange times; your best window is probably around 21:30-01:00 GMT to catch me, though I'm around some weekends, too. I'll invite you to my Linkshell if I see you, bud.

*Hump-de-BUMP* Still willing to meet any Ragnarok-based RPers if they're interested. I have PM'd those who've posted that they'd be interested elsewhere in the forums, but as a reminder, I'm still looking.

Hi, and welcome to the site! Everyone here's pretty nice, so don't worry about finding friends. I'm still looking for Ragnarok server connections myself, but the site is a pretty good place to just come and discuss things if nothing else. That said, if you're trying for a spot on Balmung, I think your best bet is probably paying for a server migration. It's about £12 in the UK, so not terribly expensive. Best of luck in what you're doing, anyway. Will see you around the forums!

Having seen the phrase - and derivations of the phrase - used by NPCs in-game, I'd wholeheartedly agree with its use IC. That said, as stated above, I acknowledge that language IC evolving in a real-time way is something that I believe is natural progression in any constructed reality. Ergo: I agree with you on two counts - why wouldn't it have come into use? You can surely explain it away ICly, after all.

By the look of things, I suppose this really does boil down to "RP as you feel you should, and be mindful of others where appropriate" - like most things concerning RP! I can agree on that much, anyway. I second many here regarding use of profanities simply because 'my guy doesn't', and whereas I can see how abundant use might kind of 'remove from the experience' of some, I can see how it might also add to the experience of others. Can I just say thanks for this really insightful thread? It's given me plenty to think about, and has been really intriguing to discuss! :lol:

**Reasons to Balmung intensify** Welcome to the forums! Speaking as another relatively new person here, I can tell you the crowd on this site is absolutely fantastic. Everyone's really helpful and polite! May see you on Balmung someday myself, we'll have to see!

Yes, this is part of the argument. "Cunt" is believed to be obscene at least by Shakespeare's time. "Fuck" has been used sexually since at least 1310. "Whoreson," "Whoremonger," and other such things, are common insults in Shakespeare's plays. "Fuck" has been an adjective / intensifier grammatically since 1528 (and has still been used as a descriptor of sorts in the 1310 example). Even the first usage of "I don't give a fuck" is older than the insulting use of "lap dog," surfacing in 1790 and beating it by almost 200 years. These words, and their "modern" usages, have been around for a while. There's the key then, I acknowledge: the word's modern usage, and whether or not the same usage is relevant in Ezorea. That actually brings me to a bit of a 'middle ground' in this thought track; have we sufficient evidence to suggest - or even confirm - that these colloquialisms/curses have historical grounding in Ezorea's lore? Or are our characters, by words based on our OOC tongue, giving them a place by evolving the dialect in a very real, and fair way? I believe I see what you're getting at: whether or not the word "fuck" has a place in Ezorea may not be the issue, so much as whether or not a word meaning the same, usable in the same setting may be 'the norm' - in which case, we merely use "fuck" as a placeholder for the 'Ezorean' word! I'm sorry to drone on, but this is nothing short of fascinating to discuss - as a Literature graduate.

Oho, I know ALL about how hard it seems to be when it comes to generating a presence and/or interest in a new RP circle. Wish you the best of luck with it! Regarding events, I always got to thinking it's nice to have "workshop sessions" via an OOC chat to discuss who wants to do what with their character, and then brainstorm potential events stemming from that. Perhaps one person might wish to begin their character as a Wood Wailer who ends up travelling the world - you could suggest ideas to them, work together to create a 'storyline' that will bring them into the fold of your group? Just a thought. I hope it helps, and again, best of luck!

Factually correct, so I won't disagree there. How do I put this...perhaps the concern isn't so much whether the words have a place - or even a home in the Ezorean dialect, which as you rightly stated may be the case - so much as whether they'd be used in the same context as we would use them RL? I'm certain I've noted NPCs saying "Bloody Hells", "Bastard" or "Whoreson" - I suppose those wouldn't be too outlandish to hear in RP... Perhaps this is the concern? (As a side note, I also think that gratuitous cursing is a bit of a grey area: really depends on the character being played/what THEY'D say. Just to clear that up in case I'm misunderstood later!)

I understand where you're coming from here. Let me open by saying that, firstly, I agree. I feel like - at least to begin with - people who RP start by using character archetypes, quirks and language that they're most familiar with until they "find their character's voice". I feel that RP should encourage adopting the colloquialisms and nuances of the setting, and it's important that people are led to this in a neutral manner. For example, if someone RPing with me was to use the phrase "Fucking hell", I'd probably - in the same context - use the phrase "By the Hells" myself. I feel like, rather than pointing out OOCly in the same instance that someone is 'wrong' for doing it, it's better to ease them into knowing what 'should be said'. I want to point out that I in NO way mean that people shouldn't be free to RP as they see fit, but I DO think it's worth trying to know a character better. RP, in my opinion, isn't so much about 'inserting self' into a world, but more about creating a life in it, and being them in their setting with their experience! Sorry to blog - the long and short of it is that I agree with you, OP. I think it's worth encouraging others to use expletives that fit the setting, just so it makes the whole RP process work a little more smoothly. Edit: To respond to Oli! right quick: I feel the concern is the use of what we IRL would see as a 'colloquialism' or 'cursory language' being used in a setting that is not our own.

In case it's relevant, I once had an idea similar to the above. I played the laid-back guardian, and the person I RP'd with played a mouthy 'princess' type of character. It was a lot of fun all around, but I have to admit it was hard to kind of 'relenquish control' of the situation, you know? I think it's important not to mire yourself with too broad a demand with RP - you have to remain flexible. I think that's what people mean, OP, and I'm confident you'll come up with something great for everyone!

If I end up creating an alt. on another world, I'll keep Lamia on my shortlist - if you're interested in new friends. ^^

Thanks guys! Just the kind of thing I'm after to get a party started!!

Figured I'd start a thread of my own, though I HAVE seen other Ragnarok RP threads here. I've responded to a couple, so consider this a 'bump for interest' if that's you! During Server Maintenance I figured I'd try and network, so if you're interested in RP on the Ragnarok EU server please get in touch. I'd call myself a 'medium' level RPer, though I hope that doesn't put you off. ^^;

Hey there! I should start off by mentioning that I frequent Ragnarok myself, but I'm considering an alt on another server - just looking for where'd be best! Everyone on this site was incredibly warm, so I thought I'd carry on the theme and welcome you too. ^^; If you're looking for any new connections, or have any another new person could do with, be in touch!