Crafting Scammers

[Trizzip]

On the flip side, maybe we should have a list of crafters that can be trusted? That way, it has a much more positive spin on it.

[Freyar]

On the flip side' date=' maybe we should have a list of crafters that can be trusted? That way, it has a much more positive spin on it.[/quote']

 

Far too easy to be abused, I'd think.

 

[*]Armorsmith either finishes the job, botches it, or makes an HQ item.[/list:u]

 

It is in fact very much on topic, since the botch or HQ seems to be considered scams.

I strongly disagree with that and am concerned as a crafter that someone would be willing to put my name on a scammer list due to different personal opinions.

 

However, I'll simply avoid trading anything else than gil with anyone I don't feel I can trust.

Scamming goes both ways, and so does slandering.

 

While I do believe HQ price hiking is unacceptable, I included all three results as a person can potentially feel cheated in all three scenarios. You may feel slandered, Asyria, but the wording was in an attempt to address considerations with each of the three results.

 

Preventative work helps prevent these types of scenarios to begin with, which is better then waiting till after-the-fact.

[Chveya]

On the flip side' date=' maybe we should have a list of crafters that can be trusted? That way, it has a much more positive spin on it.[/quote']

 

Actually, I don't think this is a bad idea. Think of it in terms of how you can rate an eBay seller. If Freyar has a great experience with Asyria as his crafter, he can make a post - or perhaps PM the person keeping the list up-to-date - and share that.

 

Likewise, if enough negative reviews were to be PM'ed about someone, they may temporarily lose their spot on the list. This would be far more fair than a blacklist, and requires more than one person who's angry about something (rightfully or just in spite) to really screw up someone's reputation.

[Satrina]

It all goes down to two situations... And I'm not sure which you're all talking about but I think you all misunderstood what I said.

 

Situation A: Crafter's mats. The buyer pays gil. The crafter makes the item. If the item IS better then itis WORTH more. Simple, reasonable, logical. Calling it a scam is BS. As I said above however, an honorable crafter will offer the HQ item for a higher price AND offer to make another non-HQ item at the agreed price. If they're out of mats, tough luck... Keep in mind the Crafter gains nothing if they don't make the sale due to the item becoming too expensive. And if they do make the sale, then the buuyer paid more but also GOT more.

Advice: If you want to avoid surprises, ask the crafter to not make it HQ (spamming rapid will avoid it).

 

Situation B: Buyer's mats. The buyer pays by providing the mats (usually +tip). The crafter makes the item.

- If the item is HQ, too bad for the crafter. He can make gil off his own stuff, but this item doesn't belong to him since the materials didn't.

- If the crafter fails, too bad for the buyer. The crafter gains nothing by failing voluntarily since the mats are spent, so calling it a scam is BS.

Advice: give the Tip once the item is completed.

 

It seems to me like you're disagreeing with what I said about Situation A when you have Situation B in mind.

 

 

This post is 100% fact and I agree. There's no ifs, ands or buts. Always wait to tip the crafter before they try with your mats or even theirs incase of failure.

 

 

If the synth succeeds, the Armorsmith in the case of a scam simply states he will sell it himself to whoever pays his asking price via his Bazaar. If the synth fails, the Amorsmith makes no attempts to reconcile losses (though admittedly, there is no real unwritten "norm" for the community as of yet). If the synth generates an HQ result, the Armorsmith tries to extort additional fees for the quality of the item, or sells it via his Bazaar at his asking price.

 

Like has been said, if they are your mats and an HQ happens and the crafter refuses to give you the item, that is in fact a ToS violation. If the item HQs and they have a NQ on their person and give you that instead, and you had no agreement before hand, well your own fault in that regard. If its the crafters mats and they HQ, that's now the crafters item and they can do what they want with it. If its the crafts mats and they fail, well you should still be tipping them because they just lost a lot of shit trying to do something for you.

 

I know when I repair peoples weapons sometimes I fail, and I expect to be compensated for my fail if using my own materials.