Katanyae

Thanks everyone! I'm patiently waiting for the game to download onto my laptop, then I'm off to Balmung! Or maybe a transfer. Or maybe I already have a character or three there. I'm a "recovering" alt-addict.:angel:

Wow, it's been a looooonnnng time since I've wandered here Hello again! I was thinking of getting back into a MMO, cause I miss rp and such...so the question I have for you all is: Is RP still alive and well here? If so, is there a NA server best for it? Thanks! I'm debating between FF, Rift and ESO. I kinda miss my little kat grifter though. maybe looking for a guild

Good...bad...i'm the guy with the gun.

YAY!

I...I cannot honestly believe that someone actually said that 'too much' elitism is bad, but too much tolerance is just as bad. Wow. Just...wow. I'm glad you're on Balmung. I mean, I regret not being on the same server as Roleplay Royalty...but I'll somehow survive. Why are you taking it so personally? It's a debate, it's fine to disagree with what I'm saying, though it's not fine to imply that I'm a horrible person as a result of my beliefs. Do we really need to add an 'in my opinion' disclaimer to every post we make? It's nonsense. An apology would be very much appreciated! Why on earth people think my word is law is beyond me. I don't make the rules, I simply seek out like-minded role-players and stick with them, offering help and advice to those who are willing to accept it. Allow me to elaborate: too much elitism is bad and too much tolerance is bad in my opinion. The reason for this is that excessive elitism can make role-play feel very forced and stagnant, usually driven by an obsession to plan out every last little thing in order to see whether it lines up with the canon lore or not. Some people take this too far and begin looking down at anyone who tries to fill in the gaps with feasible concepts. On the other hand, too much tolerance can lead to all sorts of strange things being considered 'fine' even if they make people uncomfortable. I don't need to see people's deepest and darkest sexual fetishes acted out in public, or for people to start claiming that it's 'not a big deal' if a popular role-player decides to abuse their position within the community to take extreme liberties with their character concept and claim that they're the right hand and lover of Admiral Merlwyb. I come from a WoW background and these things do happen, though many role-players prefer to brush them under the rug instead of setting down even the most basic of safeguards and standards. On a side note, if people truly find my writing style so offensive please consider toggling the ignore function on. I enjoy a good debate and consider myself a critical thinker. I'm not here to coat my words in sugar, or indulge in a popularity contest. I'm not 'mean' for being direct. What I do strive to do is remain within the confines of the site rules. I don't lose my temper, I don't target other posters and ridicule them for their opinions and expect the same courtesy in return. I just don't mince my words. I'm a Scouser, after all. I'm not taking it personally. I just strongly dislike the attitude that you are portraying in your posting. Did I imply you were a horrible person that kills puppies? No. I said that I am glad you play on a different server than me because I think your stance on all of this is an anti-beacon for a strong, diverse community. I know you want to think this is all about YOU, but it's not. I'm sorry if you feel you are owed an apology. Because I will not apologize for how I feel about a viewpoint I utterly despise. And no matter how many times you try to dress your opinion up, it still comes at the cost of others' feelings. I'm also sorry that you're playing the victim card. So yeah I guess you did get an apology. But not the one you publically wanted, hmm?

Please read my post. I didn't brand a whole server. I said "I AM GLAD YOU ARE ON BALMUNG". You. An individual. Context? So I don't have to run into the person as I am on Gil. Be offended if you must; I apologized already to someone else that missed the context, as I didn't want someone ELSE to misread it.

"Too much tolerance is bad"???? Really? Wow. I'm glad you're on Balmung. I mean, I regret not being on the same server as Roleplay Royalty...but I'll somehow survive. While I found that statement entirely baffling myself... let's not judge an entire server based on one person. Gilgamesh has some bad eggs, too--and certainly no less quantity or quality than Balmung. Agreed. My apologies to Balmung.

I...I cannot honestly believe that someone actually said that 'too much' elitism is bad, but too much tolerance is just as bad. Wow. Just...wow. I'm glad you're on Balmung. I mean, I regret not being on the same server as Roleplay Royalty...but I'll somehow survive.

I believe that's the infamously quoted definition of insanity. "Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.". By the way. Not what I said, not what I meant, and not in context with what I was saying. Just to be clear.

I believe that's the infamously quoted definition of insanity. Doing something over and over doesn't automatically make you better at something. Doing something, realizing what is not working, and changing it to get a different result is how you get better. Everyone should always strive to be better, and everyone can always be better, it's true. No one is on the top because there's no ceiling with art. It's not a mountain with a summit that we race to plant our flag in. It's more like a wall stretching up to the heavens. Over time many have scaled the wall, and they've left footholds behind for others just beginning their journey to hoist themselves up on. And the people familiar with these holds tell tales about them to the up an comers. They point to the signs to lessen the burdens of their next journey, so that they may climb even higher. There's not a 'right' way with art, because it is subjective. But there is a way it has been done before. It's a path that is worn and marked and others may find their way more easily upon it. It is simpler to follow a trail than blaze one. And it's certainly simpler to blaze a trail when you are at the very least armed with the knowledge of former pathfinders. Being resentful of experience just leads to perpetuating a culture of willful ignorance where no one gets any better because 'I am doing it my way and you can't tell me different'. Instead of everyone improving, it just lowers the bar to accommodate the unwilling. At that point we're sitting at the bottom of the metaphorical rock wall rolling around in our own excrement. I guess what I should have said then was "Pratice makes perfect", had the same meaning and avoided your post. Granted I would have been cliche, but I've been known to do that from time to time. Within your post I found ideas that I 100% believe in....but the context is where I will disagree. For example, the last paragraph. Yup, 100%. However when that 'experience' comes in the form of cliqueish holier than thou 'you-aren't-worthy-to-rp-licking-my-boots asshatery...THEN it's negative...and THAT is what my post was actually about.

So what does it take to get invited to your RP Elite country club? Yanno, cause I want to make sure I'm 'in line' with all the 'right people' :roll::lol: Or maybe you just borrowed 'Ye Olde Roleplayers Rulebook' from the OP. Different styles should be encouraged. This isn't a fucking raiding strat, formulated and homogenized. Just because someone doesn't live up to your imaginary code doesn't mean they're a bad RPer. It makes them different. And maybe they DO need to work on their trade...but don't we all? And isn't one of the best way to improve something doing it repeatedly with a good cross section of test subjects? The best way to create a griefer is to treat our own like shit.

I completely agree! But at the same time, we need to remember that not everyone is a good writer, and that ignoring/belittling them will not help them improve. Right on.

I'm hesitant to reply to this. Because you seem to have the imaginary "RP Rulebook" out. But I will anyway. I have never had an issue with it. If someone emotes feeling lost, I assume that they put it there to be noticed. So I can react by acting on intuition. When people on the street walk by, I can gather which one looks lost or might be FEELING lost. It's not because I can read their minds, but it's because I can observe behavior and feel empathy. Same applies to my character, only there is a different method of delivery. If people are having inner monologue about themselves, however, chances are I won't rp with them. Unless it's in a forum setting in which case I enjoy it greatly. So rephrasing your opening statement to "Feel free to do this in your RP, however there are some who will ignore you" might be more appropriate than speaking for all RPers everywhere. 2 gil.

#3 would be me. To clarify my position on this: You have every right...every right...to be irritated, frustrated, disheartened by being griefed. I am not surprised or offended or exasperated or whatever by the posts that crop up concerning this at all. I am also not without compassion for yours or anyone's feelings on the matter. I fully support SE implementing a structure to combat said behavior. UNTIL then, however, we only have a few options. Support group mentality, and/or self empowerment. I personally think that a mixture of those is healthy and stimulates a good community. If every greifer runs our immersion, if every dickhole and jackass can sour our night, then why are we RPers? We're supposed to be the ones with the imagination. The creative ones. The ones that find joy in creating our OWN stories within the gameworld instead of just puppeteering an avatar. This isn't an instanced world - if it were, we wouldn't have these problems. This isn't a case where the Powers That Be will lay waste to the offenders with a ban hammer. So we are left pretty much to our own devices. Maybe I misread your context. Maybe I came off as unsympathetic, and in light of your "it was for lulz" statement sympathy wasn't warranted in the first place. In either case, I apologize. This doesn't change my standpoint of the empowered RPer, both in a community and of themselves. But I wanted to take the time to apologize to you personally if I offended.

Well played, sir. Methinks Kat lost this battle.

That's fine, Baer can answer to Y'vali when Kat can't be trusted to walk a straight line, much less play with fire. >;D

Baer is going to be totally harassed by Kat for 'cheap good shots'. SHOTSSSSSS!

I think we're from two different books. I don't EXPECT anyone to respect me at all. If I want respect, I EARN it. I earn my respect from non-rpers by being non combative and not thinking I AM BETTER THAN THEM. I will not tell them how to play just as much as I won't let them tell me. Anyway, that's my 2 gil. This is obviously just going to go back and forth and eventually make me angry so I'll withdraw from the thread. I think it's wrong that you advocate anything other than self-empowerment, but hey maybe you're more comfortable thinking people OWE you something.

I don't think that I did misunderstand you at all. I hope you're not taking your statement out of context to change it's meaning to support an argument I didn't imply that being mature = allowing oneself to be bullied. What I DID say, however, is that they key here lies in oneself. And there is nothing that is more positive or rewarding than to not let someone's behavior bother you. Bullied. Is that what we're calling this nowadays? LOL. And you wonder why non rpers make fun of us? I don't advocate being a victim. I fully support self-empowerment.

You will not correct their behavior. You WILL NOT correct their behavior! Just as much as they will not correct yours. The same doesn't apply here. The virtual game world is not real life. If someone at work shoved you, you can go to your boss and they will probably get fired. If someone in the virtual world decides to sit by you and craft while you happen to be RPing...well, you have the choice or ignoring it or not. But there is not a damn thing you can do if that crafter wants to sit there are happily make cotten trousers. Period. Maybe it's time we embrace why the other half of the non-rpers like us. for our "maturity". That doesn't mean that we're mature about how we enjoy the game; it means that we're mature about the way that we handle things when they don't go our way.

Personally I think that's a waste of time. It was a guy that decided to craft. It's not up to the playerbase to decide when and where he can do it. Roleplayers need to start having some thicker skin and not letting everything bother them. Not trying to play devil's advocate or start a fight, and I know this view probably won't be so highly veiwed by Rpers. But for goodness sake if everytime something bad happens we cry like we spilt milk then the NON-RPers win. And win and win again. And keep ON winning long after the action took place.

I can't wait! Yes, I think there will be a small pocket of people going and RPing by themselves. On the other hand, there are people that actually like random open world RP - myself included - and player housing will not change that. The main thing that I am so very happy about is that this allows for a plethora of public player crafted events, not to mention tavern/storytelling/etc nights. Will there be a decline in world RP? Probably. But I think the good FAR outweighs the bad.

Wow. That's fantastic! Thanks - I guess maybe I was searching for the wrong criteria. Durr.

There has to be a way - other games have had item databases. I just wish there was a 'preview' option in game. Thank you for your suggestion! I'll keep trying stuff on, hee! The problem is that I'm ultra picky, and it seems that everything I come across I end up looking like: -A Pirate -A person from 1970 wearing a house coat and huge oven mitts. I just want a skirt and a belly shirt! And bare feet! >.> <.<

Kat smiled a little, and glanced longingly up at the sun. "Well! If there are no more wagers, I think I will attend to other matters" she said, clapping her hands together. She had an air of excited distraction that she made absolutely no effort to hide. Within moments Kat's belongings were packed, the table was folded, and when she walked away it appeared that you'd never even knew she was there to begin with. It wasn't so much that she was in a rush; it was the practiced art of someone that has been trained to vanish within a moment's notice. Her pack on her shoulder, her small table in hand, she turned to those assembled. "Hey, it was great and all - but I have a date with some sun", Kat said with some sincerity. "If you're interested I'll be down at the docks tonight dipping my feet in the water and watching the moon with a bottle of this or that. If not, well I hope you find what you're seeking here, and may our paths cross again!" With that, Kat smiled and lifted a hand in a wave as her bare feet padded back into the crowd. It was a little like watching a drop of water fall into a stream...at first she was there and then she melted into the hustle and bustle of an average day in the marketplace.