jwhyrock

To quote Kylin, on his first post in this topic... I don't know what exactly it is that you are saying you want at this stage. We're already in support of and giving you this option. It was stated in the very first post in this now 150 post thread. It's now a header on every page of the RPC. You are getting your non-legacy option. We agree it is a valid and legitimate conversation, and we've had the conversation weeks ago and we agreed to make an official non-legacy server. Many would prefer to keep things on Balmung since it's always been on Balmung, but that's been our preference. Even so, we're opening up more options, and like I said, there are already other groups on other servers (Hyperion). So I'm not sure what else it is that you want. It seems we're already giving it to you. My first post on this website was on page 8 of this thread where several members of your own website were arguing about you so generously "giving" us the option. You singling me about in such a condescending manner speaks volumes about the level of character around these parts.

I think people are missing my point. I'm not a moron. It's the Internet so there will always be everything everywhere. I don't give a shit about gear or who is what level. I made the shout comment to illustrate ambience or lack thereof. This is about new players and old players playing on what server. Some people seem to think that learning a game and leveling up with friends is not important other people like myself feel differently. The point of this thread is twofold. One to hopefully coordinate attention enough for Square to designate a non legacy server as a roleplay server and two to coordinate the roleplay community to minimize the dilution of players across multiple servers. The purists want everyone on one server and other people who aren't FFXIV vets want a non legacy option. It is a valid and legitimate conversation to have. I still find it irritating that the folks with high level characters, multiple characters and tons of mmorpg experience are trying to dictate to new players where and how they play. It's arrogant. And my arrogant comment is not directed at Averis who pointed out she didn't play much. It is a general statement about some people who think the roleplay community should only be on Balmung.

Already do. We're not so hoity toity in our crowd. It's the uptight people in the rpg community that really turn off the folks who just wanna chill and enjoy the game. People can roleplay without a stick up their ass and it makes for a much more inclusive environment for those who don't roleplay or casual roleplay. This is why we need a non legacy server to create our own community the way we want to with emphasis on roleplay and people who maybe just don't want Shout chat 24/7 "L337GUILD3RZ CLAN HIRING FREE COMPANY MEMBERS!!!! MUST HAVE LV 50 GEAR OR NOT WELCOME!!!" There will be plenty people who stumble across this discussion and agree with me. Plenty will agree with you. Both opinions are fine.

Um... wow. Okay... I'm done. oops I guess someone likes country lol. Wrong analogy to make. What I find a little irritating about the people in your camp is the appearance of being "open" to people with other viewpoints, but yet have a holier than tho lofty attitude when someone disagrees with your perception on what game environment they prefer. I'm opinionated and don't pretend I'm not. I want new world with new players add much as possible. I don't think my point of view on the subject is unusual if you read countless other posts online. No one is poaching your people from you, but it does feel like your camp is being very pushy about where other players should be playing. Just sayin.

I'm also 36, but I don't know what our ages have to do with anything. I'm just giving my view on the matter. I really don't understand this "threat" that "vets" pose to you. I'm just befuddled by it. I'm not trying to "spin" anything. I'm just having a discussion. If you don't care what others do and made up your mind then why argue about it so much? Just do what you plan to do. The thing I don't get is that we aren't enemies here, and I don't think anyone is forcing anyone to do anything, yet I feel this strong angst against the legacy folks and server as if we all did something horribly wrong to even suggest the idea to try and keep our small RP community together. Anyway, have fun wherever you end up. I hope you have many great adventures. Because only kids worry about social conventions. I don't find text on the Internet threatening. I'm stating that a world with more new people is far more enjoyable than a world with experts. It becomes a collective journey of discovery and learning vs. a bunch of seasoned players holding the hands of the new folks. It's a matter of what someone enjoys. You could love country music and tell me the southern community is really warm and awesome and I think the music is dogshit listened to by lots of people who tend not to be very intelligent or cultured. I don't mind a bunch of rednecks enjoying their thing just as they wouldn't relate to me enjoying my thing. Everyone is different. It's a matter of taste and priorities.

I don't get this at all. Meeting people is meeting people. Sometimes they are in a group, sometimes they aren't. Does this mean that if a group of friends or a couple join the same "new" sever as you you won't play with them either because they already know each other? We hear this all the time, "My friends and I want to start on a new server". Isn't that the same thing in the end in regards to groups that already know each other? Wouldn't that then mean that other new players won't want to play with your group of friends since you already know each other? (The general you) Often times guilds are formed and started well before a new games launches. A lot of new ones are starting now on this very forum alongside older ones. When a new player starts the game on launch day there are already a bunch of guilds already established. You can't start on a server where no one knows each other at all. It's just not possible. And I just find it all the more ironic how many (not necessarily the person I commented) complaining about Balmung and its already established groups are coming from people that themselves are "a group a friends". To me this is just simply a fear that "I won't be accepted with the cool kids" or that they want to start on an equal footing, IE for competitive reasons, which I can understand to a degree, but everyone levels at a different pace anyway, so it's sort of a moot point in the long run. (again this is in general to those complaining about starting on an established RP server, not specifically to the commented post above) Like others have said, a new server isn't going to be open each time new players join the game, and if new players are truly role-players and want that immersion then they should go where the majority of their fellows are. Just as in real life, there will be people more experienced than you and groups and bonds already formed. Work with that into your character story. Just my opinion... I'm 36 couldn't give less of a shit about people's social habits. I prefer uncharted territory and it's not rocket science that people who are legacy are pc even if they are now playing ps3 version which means they tend to be more mmorpg veteran than your average console gamer branching out into mmorpg territory for the first time. It is a fact a non legacy server will have more new players than vets. You can attempt to spin it any way you want. We don't want a legacy server bottom line. Enjoy your legacy server we will make a community on non legacy server. Fair enough. I guess I'll call off the hackers! =) It did come across as snide, but good to know not intentional.

and it's that exact elitist attitude we don't want any part of. We're just not that into you sorry. I'm sure you don't represent the majority of roleplayers here though as I know that the focus isn't comparing stats and racing to the finish or you're a loser mentality. Most of the real roleplayers have been very nice and welcoming. Wanting to play with new people is perfectly fine for many people.

Actually, I don't know if the movie analogy is very accurate. Most of the game's content, especially the story, is as new to us as it is to anyone else. It'd be more like seeing the sequel to a movie that you've only read the synopsis of, but your friend has watched the whole movie. The movie itself is new to you both, but the person who saw the first movie knows the characters and the themes of the story better. I won't fault you if that's something that you'd rather not have to deal with, but I feel for those who are like you, but will be joining the game in the future. They won't have a server that's brand new for them to start on. If going to a server where people have already been playing is so bad that there are people who can't tough it out for a few months until they're experienced too, this means they're not likely going to want to join us on FFXIV at all. It's kind of sad to think about. I knew that would be the predictable response the second after I posted. A better reason is that there is a group of people who already know each other and a group of people yet to form these relationships. We want to form our own groups organically. We don't want match.com meet ups we want drunk hook ups with like minded strangers at name your watering hole.

I'm a new user on the site, new to FFXIV not counting beta of course and old school roleplayer. Although I'm sure the legacy folks will be warm and welcoming I agree with the sentiment that for those of us who are new, a server that was roleplay friendly non-legacy makes more sense. You might not understand it, but think of it like watching a movie with someone who has already seen the movie but it's your first time seeing it. Even if they're not being annoying you can't escape the knowledge that they already know what's going to happen so its a little less enjoyable. We want to level with other people who are having that first time sense of wonder, learning curve and less exclusivity even if unintentional. Non-legacy needs a roleplay server. **Also not sure if someone already referenced this discussion from the FFXIV forums which is related: http://forum.square-enix.com/ARR-Test/threads/47135-Alternative-RP-server-Behemoth%21