Transitions of Power: Can They Be Peaceful? [Split from Royalist vs Monetarist]

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Bringing it back to FFXIV, I think it's very unlikely that this will end up being a peaceful revolution/coup. Every indication is that the Scions/Flames/Warrior of Light, are just licking their wounds before they strike back.

 

What that strike back will look like, and if it devolves into full scale civil war, will be interesting to see.

[Warren Castille]

So basically the transition isn't over until all involved parties recognize said transition of power? And the wars that often follow are the original power's attempt to quell what is, technically, still an uprising or coup?

 

I'd say so. Did the Confederacy secede from the Union, or attempt to?

[OttoVann]

So fucking done with Ul'Dah.

[C'kayah Polaali]

So fucking done with Ul'Dah.

 

Because Otto backed the wrong horse, old boy? There's plenty of room on the dark side of things...

[OttoVann]

So fucking done with Ul'Dah.

 

Because Otto backed the wrong horse, old boy? There's plenty of room on the dark side of things...

 

Oh not not that, not at all. I just hm, like I enjoyed the politics flavor of the RP, the business part. Now thats been ruined by a shit MSQ. For months we figured something bad would happen to anyone that didn't support that stupid ass lalafell queen, and like others have pointed out in the other thread, other merchants themselves are especially at risk above all else. Because Evil being evil for the sake of being evil. I can move on, and I will, it's just disappointing that the Ul'Dah thing is pretty much as dead as dead gets for Otto.

[SunTzu7]

The only bloodless transition of power I can think of is the Glorious Revolution in England where Parliament invited William of Orange over to take over from James II. Subsequent battles followed yes, but the actual event itself was pretty much 'Hey, come over and take over.'

 

The American Revolution is a great topic because it's what I did my Masters on, and I'm one of those moustache twirling British people. But it wasn't a bloodless transition of power because the aftermath was a World War.

 

The idea that the Loyalists were serving a foreign power is also a bit limited in scope. They didn't elect the people who were going about declaring Independence, they didn't agree with them, and in response they fought back and lost. A lot of them died for it too.

 

Warren's right. You can't just go 'I signed this piece of paper, now my house is a country in and of itself and now I'm God Emperor of Mankind', your power and legitimacy is based on how many people recognize it, and as such all Revolutions will require a transitional period until all parties involved either recognize the new status quo, or they don't have the power to contest it.

 

Edit: Actually reading this over, by the terms I put out later, the Glorious Revolution had a bunch of failed counter attempts to put James and his sons back on the throne later, so it's not bloodless either. So um, I guess there aren't any really.