world of darkness

[Izzy66]

Have any of you played world of darkness? I bought the game online and it should come soon in mail, if you don't know what wod is it's simply table top horror rpg where player can be a monster they start out as mortals and then they can choose are they gonna be a vampire, werewolf, mage, changeling or a hunter.

[Chisae]

Kinda got it backwards... werewolves, changelings, and mages usually start out that way. Vampires can, but I think most people like RPing the Embrace or whatever they called it. Hunters are still mortal, and don't have anything supernatural about them (except maybe Faith I think).

 

Also: Changeling the Lost ftw!

[Izzy66]

Kinda got it backwards... werewolves, changelings, and mages usually start out that way. Vampires can, but I think most people like RPing the Embrace or whatever they called it. Hunters are still mortal, and don't have anything supernatural about them (except maybe Faith I think).

 

Also: Changeling the Lost ftw!

 

Thanks for correcting me

 

Changelings are pretty depressing in my opinion yeah vampire requiem is dark but god becoming a changeling is horrible

[Fates Skein]

I'm in an IRC Changeling: the Lost campaign now and I've played in old World of Darkness games for ~10 years and new WoD games (changeling and werewolf) for ~2 years.

 

I am a big fan of the oWoD- I loved the game Bloodlines, anyone remember that?

[elisan]

much like Fates, Im a long time WoD player/GM - Ive played pretty much every venue they've come out with at least once - and I also agree..old world is far superior in most regards, except for Changeling. The Lost is everything the Dreaming should have been from the get go.  Old world Mage, Hunter and Werewolf, were my venues of choice, with a little Mummy and some Gypsies thrown in there for good measure! The new world stuff, in my opinion are just lacking..except Changeling. Love me some Lost.  I ran a Hunter game that lasted 4 years..good times!

 

Fates - what's your IRC chat? I've done "javachat" based online WoD games long long ago..

[Lady Whiteraven]

Same here, I have been running and playing in world of darkness games since a friend showed me the vampire the masquerade book back in 1994. So many, many years of playing/running. I can only agree with the sentiments posted above. There was such a rich mythos and poetry weaved into the older versions.

 

And yes Fates, I not only remember that game but will reinstall it and play it again from time to time. \/---\/ hehe

[K'dath]

I'm a long time Werewolf player (New and Old, totes lovin W20), and off-an-on GM. I played a little OWoD Vampire and a bit of NWoD Mage, I'd like to try Promethean, but my passion is always the giant hairy monsters living among us ...or in my case a gangly, mangy coyote-esque abomination living in a garbage can.

 

Right now I'm GM'ing CoC though, so it'll be a while before I'll have time in my RPG schedule for another Werewolf campaign. I'd like to do a Changing Breeds campaign, to go with the new W20 Printing. Because... you know... Weresharks.

Like you need another reason.

[Brave]

Big fan of WoD here too.

 

The whole series of games was awesome (And I'm FLOORED by the amount of Changeling players ><  WHERE WERE YOU ALL WHEN MY LARP WAS OVERRUN WITH GAROU AND 6 FOOT TUXEDOED MOSQUITOES?!)

 

I loved all the games though and although I haven't dabbled too much with the new setting, the old rules are still close to my heart =)

 

I didn't know about this new WoD game though.  I'm getting paid soon, and it might be worth looking into.  Does anyone have a link to the game or a reputable reviewer to see what they're offering?

[Chisae]

I *hated* the Dreaming, except for the actual Dreaming part of the setting, which I thought was pretty good... my favourite thing in the Deep Dreaming was the Great Engine. What is it? What's it do? How do you turn it on? What are those funny letters on it? WHO KNOWS!!

 

The mechanics and setting for owod Changeling were horribly depressing. the Lost however, I totally agree, was what the Dreaming should have and could have been. I miss the fun kiths though; Pwca (Pooka) and Coblynau (knockers), were my two favourites.

 

Dark Ages: Fae on the other hand was my favourite owod Changeling book, that was just brilliantly done.

 

I still have the 99% of the owod Changeling book, just cause I was a packrat, and I figured they might be worth some money since they are all out of print now. o3o Have almost all the Lost books as well.

 

Oh, and I agree with the others who say they don't like the new version except for the Lost. Owod ftw!

[Dogberry]

I am a Mage; the Ascension dork. Love that game, and love the philosophy around consensus based reality. In my current game, I play a member of the Order of Hermes who is essentially becoming The Doctor. I also run a Hunter: the Reckoning game that meets every now and then. I am so mean to my players.

 

I cut my teeth on Vampire: the Masquerade waaaaaay back in the day, when I was but a young pup. Never got into Werewolf or Changeling in oWoD.

 

For New WoD, I just can't get behind Vampire or Mage. Well, I say that, but if someone started a New Wave Requiem game I'd jump in faster than you can say "Radical!" I tried to get into Geist: the Sin-Eaters, but the core book is an absolute mess, and with such little support I find the game to be absolutely unplayable. I disavow that Hunter: the Vigil even exists. The only nWoD game that I even like is Changeling: the Lost. Man, let me tell you about that game.

 

I got so into Changeling: the Lost it was kind of scary. I can't play it anymore. The whole premise of Changeling: the Lost is a great metaphor for what life is like for victims of abuse. As someone with PTSD, Changeling: the Lost was essentially a road map to my damage. I loved the game. Finally, it felt like there were other people who understood what I went through, and I was glad to have the game as a way of expressing and explaining myself. But, it got to the point where playing the game just wasn't healthy anymore. I couldn't keep opening the same old wound for  the sake of fun. It had in fact stopped being fun after a while, and I just had to quit the game. I gave an out in the narrative, and haven't gone back. Fun game, really. Just... damn.

[Haven's Fox]

The Embrace has always been my favorite part to play out and excuse the lack of better words.. You slipping into the world of darkness itself. It's been a few years since I last opened my books. < Vampire The Masquerade mostly :moogle:

[Fates Skein]

much like Fates, Im a long time WoD player/GM - Ive played pretty much every venue they've come out with at least once - and I also agree..old world is far superior in most regards, except for Changeling. The Lost is everything the Dreaming should have been from the get go.  Old world Mage, Hunter and Werewolf, were my venues of choice, with a little Mummy and some Gypsies thrown in there for good measure! The new world stuff, in my opinion are just lacking..except Changeling. Love me some Lost.  I ran a Hunter game that lasted 4 years..good times!

 

Fates - what's your IRC chat? I've done "javachat" based online WoD games long long ago..

 

Heyla!  The IRC chat I'm in now is hosted by Games Without Borders, an international off-shoot of what used to be the Camarilla club.  It's a non-club group that currently does strictly IRC chats for folks around the world, catering primarily to soldiers.   Our game is set in Trier, Germany, and there's a 'sister' game of Lost set in Prague. The group also has a Requiem game that's just getting off the ground.

 

I technically started with V:tM LARPing (Mind's Eye Theater, baby). Then a bit of Werewolf: the Apocalypse and one or two one-off Changeling: the Dreaming games. Did that for -years-, then moved and lost my troupe. Joined up with a group of folks in the new Camarilla (Mind's Eye Society, they're called) and played a little bit of Requiem (just can't get into it...) and then played Werewolf the Forsaken with them for quite a bit before illness made me stop LARPing. I've done Scion, V:tM, Hunter, and W:tA in tabletop, too. Love Scion. Oh! And Exalted! Played the tabletop Exalted and loved it. But yeah, nowadays I'm strictly over the computer due to health stuff. I really, really miss LARPing though.

[Daca'li Molkoh]

Mage=OP. 

 

But seriously, I love the WoD RPGs. I'm currently involved in a Vampire: The Masquerade LARP and it's probably one of the best things I've ever been involved with. I used to be involved in a Changeling game way back when, but sadly it broke apart once three of our members had to split due to issues at home. I found this Vampire game shortly after and dove right in, and now I'm rollin' around as a 8th gen Brujah! Potence ftw.

 

Further, if there are currently any games that are about to start online or anything, throw me a message! I'd love to be involved with more WoD games, especially Vampire. I haven't played Requiem yet, but from what I understand it'll be easy for me to grasp. I just have to look into it.

[Raccoon]

I haven't really heard anything about the MMO in a long time, which is going to be full of idiots I imagine. The last real update was:

 

CCP is going back into lockdown while it continues work, as much to spare itself the need to churn out a constant stream of content to remind people it's still busy as to keep its secrets. It's not like it has to show much, with Eve paying the bills and no fixed deadline, as much as we want to see more. There's exactly no chance of a closed beta this year, with a release not likely until 2015, and everything seen/heard still subject to change.

 

Oh, except for one thing, straight from McDonough's lips to the hearts of players everywhere.

 

"We've banned the names Edward and Bella."

[Kismet]

I'm a newbie to WoD, so I'm slowly learning about it over time. I want to be prepared by the time the WoD MMO comes out. I'm also playing VtM Bloodlines on and off. But all of that is besides the point! I just wanted to share something I thought was neat and useful.

 

If you're a noob like me, or are a vet looking for a refresher,

are a very enlightening watch. He provides you with an amazing wealth of knowledge on the subject. Put it on the background while you're leveling or something. I enjoyed them!

[Oroban]

I've never played the tabletop (My experience has been limited to ADnD 2.0-4e, AFMBE, Savage Worlds, WFRP/40k, and Legends of the Wulin, though the last one never got farther than the first session. Sigh.), but I have played Bloodlines. It's one of those games I periodically re-install just to play again, honestly. Even if I always end out cheesing the game with Toreador celerity gunslinging.

[Izzy66]

I haven't really heard anything about the MMO in a long time, which is going to be full of idiots I imagine. The last real update was:

 

CCP is going back into lockdown while it continues work, as much to spare itself the need to churn out a constant stream of content to remind people it's still busy as to keep its secrets. It's not like it has to show much, with Eve paying the bills and no fixed deadline, as much as we want to see more. There's exactly no chance of a closed beta this year, with a release not likely until 2015, and everything seen/heard still subject to change.

 

Oh, except for one thing, straight from McDonough's lips to the hearts of players everywhere.

 

"We've banned the names Edward and Bella."

 

unlikely eve players are smart folk and very good making business if you haven't played eve keep you mouth shut. i don't see wow players to play this its out from that market

[Izzy66]

I've never played the tabletop (My experience has been limited to ADnD 2.0-4e, AFMBE, Savage Worlds, WFRP/40k, and Legends of the Wulin, though the last one never got farther than the first session. Sigh.), but I have played Bloodlines. It's one of those games I periodically re-install just to play again, honestly. Even if I always end out cheesing the game with Toreador celerity gunslinging.

 

I love toreadors one of my favorite clans along with malkavians and Nosferatu. toreadors reminds me lot of anne rice's interview with the vampire lestat

[Raccoon]

I haven't really heard anything about the MMO in a long time, which is going to be full of idiots I imagine. The last real update was:

 

CCP is going back into lockdown while it continues work, as much to spare itself the need to churn out a constant stream of content to remind people it's still busy as to keep its secrets. It's not like it has to show much, with Eve paying the bills and no fixed deadline, as much as we want to see more. There's exactly no chance of a closed beta this year, with a release not likely until 2015, and everything seen/heard still subject to change.

 

Oh, except for one thing, straight from McDonough's lips to the hearts of players everywhere.

 

"We've banned the names Edward and Bella."

 

unlikely eve players are smart folk and very good making business if you haven't played eve keep you mouth shut. i don't see wow players to play this its out from that market

 

But it won't be EVE players; they will stick to playing what they have invested their time and money into. WoD Online will be every LARPer and vampire fanatic in existence. A good portion of which are complete idiots. And don't tell people to shut up unless you're looking to start a fight, you illiterate ass.

[Kismet]

WoD Online will be every LARPer and vampire fanatic in existence. A good portion of which are complete idiots.

 

To be completely fair, WoD is not a special case by any means. Every online game is going to have idiots, so it should be expected. The WoD MMO will have more than its fair share of idiotic vampire LARPers/fanatics just as FFXIV has more than its fair share of idiotic weeaboos. (Yeah, that's right. I said it.) The level of stupidity in the player base is not going to be any higher than usual. At least not significantly, anyway.

 

But, just like RP griefers, we can easily just ignore them.

 

 

unlikely eve players are smart folk and very good making business if you haven't played eve keep you mouth shut. i don't see wow players to play this its out from that market

 

Izzy, you are extremely naive if you honestly think that every single EVE player is intelligent. Just because it's a CCP game doesn't mean it will necessarily be played by the same kinds of folks who play EVE (all of which, as I just said, are not necessarily smart). Not to mention that you're actually quite wrong in your final statement. While the target audience for this game is aimed at neither player base, you're gonna see a LOT more WoW vets interested in that game than you will EVE vets. It's closer to their niche.

[K'dath]

WoD Online will be every LARPer and vampire fanatic in existence. A good portion of which are complete idiots.

 

To be completely fair, WoD is not a special case by any means. Every online game is going to have idiots, so it should be expected. The WoD MMO will have more than its fair share of idiotic vampire LARPers/fanatics just as FFXIV has more than its fair share of idiotic weeaboos. (Yeah, that's right. I said it.) The level of stupidity in the player base is not going to be any higher than usual. At least not significantly, anyway.

 

But, just like RP griefers, we can easily just ignore them.

 

In all fairness, I haven't seen THAT many real weeaboos. I mean, I've seen people called 'Naruto Bleach' walking around, but as far as actually Japanese animation/gaming discussion? It's all been pretty enlightened with a wide variety of tastes.

 

But WoD is a grimdark vampire fantasy world that has a heavy influence on rebellion and liberation. It was long before Twilight was a twinkle in that deeply disturbed woman's mind. It always catered to angsty teenagers as a way to live out their fantasies of being sexy monsters that don't have to live by arbitrary human laws. That's not to say ALL or even MOST players are angry teens. I think most people who are invested in White Wolf's universe are probably older and more mature.

 

Table Tops take vastly more effort as a hobby than anime or videogames. The thing is? WoD MMO will be an easy access for people that know nothing about the context or themes, who associate vampires with the 'dark but soft' modern spin rather than the 'classic punk' influence of Lestat that oWoD was made for.

 

In short, the ratio of 'idiots' will likely be improbably high.

[Kismet]

In all fairness, I haven't seen THAT many real weeaboos. I mean, I've seen people called 'Naruto Bleach' walking around, but as far as actually Japanese animation/gaming discussion? It's all been pretty enlightened with a wide variety of tastes.

 

Different strokes for different folks, I'm afraid. You just haven't experienced what others and I have. That being said, the game is certainly not overrun with such behavior. But it is there, it's the sort of thing some would expect to be present, yet the majority of FFXIV's player base doesn't consist of it.

 

I think the same will be true for the WoD MMO. The sorts of players that Raccoon suggested will definitely be there, but I highly doubt the overall percentage of stupidity is going be 40% higher or more than that of what is found in most other MMOs. A small part of the reason I think this is actually because of what you said about longtime WWolf fans typically (though not always) being older and more mature.

 

That, and... I don't think how accessible something is, nor the self-perceived estimate of the amount of effort one hobby takes over another, are necessarily the best tools to be using for this sort of speculation. But that's just me.

[DAISHI]

[K'dath]

Different strokes for different folks, I'm afraid.

 

Well, naturally. It's my opinion based on my experiences. I didn't mean to imply anything about it was objectively true.

 

I believe the goth culture aspects encompass a larger part of the teenage population than the 'otaku' culture does. Therefore, I think it more likely WoD MMO will have more teenagers. Because of this, more players will be idiots, because teenagers are irrevocably stupid. That's my hypothesis.

 

And of course accessibility is a factor in popularity. Books become more popular when they're made into movies. Now people who don't want to be invested in the time and depth of a novel can get the story in a 3 hour chunk. I guarantee you with 100% certainty more people have watched Game of Thrones than have read the entirety of A Song of Fire and Ice. It does take effort to be invested in a story regardless of medium, but some require more focus, more time, more monetary investment.

 

Buying and reading books, finding players/a GM, physically showing up to a session, doing your own character book-keeping, and accounting for random acts of player/GM interference versus sitting at a computer with all possible values already defined... Which takes less effort?

 

Of course popularity does not mean it necessarily draws the pop culture (commonly called a 'cult' hit), and accessibility doesn't necessarily make it popular (plenty of shitty AAA games available on all consoles). It's just my speculation, because these are typical, observable trends. Certainly not rules!

[Kismet]

I didn't mean to imply that I thought you meant anything you said objectively, either. I know what you were getting at, I was just tossing my two cents out there on that.

 

The effort/popularity thing aside, I personally believe that the gothic subculture doesn't have as large of a following in the present day. That is, not when it comes to teens. Gothic culture (as we know it in 2013), is no longer what it was thirty, twenty, or even ten years ago. From my experience, I've seen less and less teens as traditional goths in the current day. (They're still around, of course. Just drastically less in number that the amount seen in the early 90s.) In the past decade, not necessarily otaku culture in particular, but geek culture seems to have taken on a stronger presence in the current day than goth culture has. Mind you, I'm still only talking about teens as the audience here.

 

However, I can only speak from what I've witnessed. Perhaps it's different in certain parts of America, or in different parts of the world. Maybe there is a stronger following than I know of and I simply haven't heard of it yet. *shrugs*

 

Back to the flavor of the player base thing, there is a correlation between a high number of teens and stupidity, but neither causes the other. Perhaps we'll be lucky and if there is a strong teen demographic for the WoD MMO, they'll mostly be mature ones? Who knows.