A Nervous Paladin's Plea - How to Make Friends and Flash Enemies

[Aleister]

I think it is! Perhaps we can assist this fellow Balmungion with the stuff they need sometime.

[Vairemont Malveaux]

Being relatively new to Paladin tanking (just got to level 32), I'm pretty glad that the rotation I figured out for myself pretty much matches that guide Ilwe posted and reaffirms that I seem to be doing it right. I just need a little more practice gauging threat before I start Rage-of-Halone comboing other targets while the first target is still alive and steadily losing threat on me.

 

I didn't read any guides or anything on tanking before I made attempts at it, but I've done warrior/paladin/druid tanking in WoW, as well as lancer tanking in TERA, so I figured it would be self explanatory. Also went on advice from my FC-mates.

 

And I have the advantage of being able to run every new place as a DPS to get a feel for it before I tank it.

 

By the way, welcome to Balmung, Steel Wolf. I hope to run into you soon in the coming days.

[Illira]

For groups, comboing Fast+Savage on one target, Rage of Halone on next, then repeating ad nauseum works decently. I find getting off a round or two of strictly Rages helps, for quick aggro. If its a big group, don't be afraid to flash every few cooldowns, to keep up aggro on those targets not being burned down, if this is the case, keep most of your heat on the main target.

 

But yeah, thats a pretty decent guide. I loled at it

[Steel Wolf]

My rotation tends to look a bit like this... Oh, I should mention that I , of course, have Shield Oath running. Seems derpy to point that out, but...apparently not everyone remembers to tick that toggle on.

 

Shield Lob primary marked target -> Flash -> Circle of Scorn -> Spirits Within target #1 -> Fast Blade target #1 -> Savage Blade target #2 -> Flash -> Rage of Halone target #3 -> Back to target # 1 with one more Flash in there most of the time. 

 

I might move the Flash up depending on how many AoEs are falling down on the mobs or how fast the Blind effect wears off, which I use as a timer for readying the next Flash.  Also, one more Circle of Scorn if needed as well, just to keep that DoT ticking.

 

I'm pretty confident in my cadence, and it's carried me through the game so far..it's getting started on new dungeons that makes me wiggly.

[Illira]

Shield Lob primary marked target -> Flash -> Circle of Scorn -> Spirits Within target #1 -> Fast Blade target #1 -> Savage Blade target #2 -> Flash -> Rage of Halone target #3 -> Back to target # 1 with one more Flash in there most of the time. 

 

I might move the Flash up depending on how many AoEs are falling down on the mobs or how fast the Blind effect wears off, which I use as a timer for readying the next Flash.  Also, one more Circle of Scorn if needed as well, just to keep that DoT ticking.

 

I was actually more responding to the post above mine in my description of a rotation. Its always good to discuss strategy though!

 

It should be noted though, that Fast Blade in and of itself doesn't give increased enmity. The reason that people use it in rotation is to make use of the combo multiplier. It in and of itself does little to gain you aggro, which is why if a full Fast Blade -> Savage Blade -> Rage of Halone combo is being used, I suggest that ideally, Fast and Savage blades should be released onto the same target, i.e.:

 

Enemy 1. Fast + Savage Blade

Enemy 2. Rage of Halone

Enemy 3. Fast + Savage Blade

Enemy 1. Rage of Halone... and so on.

 

Circle of Scorn should be kept on CD, Spirits too, if you don't need it for the purpose of silencing enemy attacks. Rage of Halone just by itself off combo generates a good deal of enmity, which is why its not a bad idea to use it on its own sometimes, depending on the mobs coming at you and the level of damage output your DPS is dealing with.

 

When I first hit 50 and was grinding philos with friends, I was stuck with a Darklight Macuahuitl for a little while trying to hold hold aggro against Relic +1ed friends. It was... awkward. lol. So I had to really learn to adapt, even with them holding back some DPS and watching their aggro. That was when I started shooting off solo Rages for a couple of rounds, even if it seemed to go against my instinct.

 

Anyway! Probably talked too much. Just sharing thoughts

 

Now that you're on Balmung though, Steel Wolf, if you're running any 8-mans and want to bring in an MT or OT to help you settle into a new dungeon/primal, feel free to shout at me. If I'm on and not raiding/RPing I'd be glad to lend a hand.

[Steel Wolf]

Yea, I'm aware that Fast isn't an enmity generator.  The operating mindset being that Flash, Circle and Spirits are significant enough to have annoyed target #1 to allow me to burn Savage on target #2 for the enmity hit, and Rage on target #3 for the enmity hit.  Tied that with another Flash on top, and I have seen mobs stick to me like glue, barring the prior mentioned AoE-mad BLM.

 

Of course, I adjust when situations arise--as I mentioned, I push a Flash up if I see bars are filling faster than I want, and Circle does keep on cooldown--didn't really specify that one in my initial rotation post.

 

Of course, if Spirits is better saved for when I absolutely need a Silence hit, I can adjust my rotation as necessary.  I know Spirits isn't an enmity generator on its own, but it's extra damage--that hurts more because I enter the fight at pretty much full health--that seems to help keep target #1 on me to allow me to rotate to the other targets.

 

....I like talking shop, obviously. 

 

Oh!  I also should mention, I am eager to add names to my list, especially with folks as helpful and willing to take my derpy self under their wing.  It really is appreciated.  <33

[Aleister]

My loladin(I call my subclass pld loladin) rotation is normal combo on the main focus of the party, keeping CoS up and just spamming flash, I usually keep hate pretty well, unless a SMN or BLM is in the group then I'll do the swap targeting stuff.. :3 But I'm a derp as a paladin just thought I'd share that.

 

You can add me to your friends list if you want despite me being your mortal tank rival! Mwuahaha! -raises axe-

 

I've been thinking about making a LS something similiar to Balmung's Finest but with the primary focus assisting players who are unable/learning to do Trials (hardmodes/extremes) but at the same time making sure they are learning the mechanics and their class roles for whatever reasons, like yours Steel. This has been floating in my head the past month or so as I run into people who still need help with stuff.

[Ilwe'ran]

I'm pretty confident in my cadence, and it's carried me through the game so far..it's getting started on new dungeons that makes me wiggly.

 

We talked about it yesterday right ? *nods*

[Steel Wolf]

We talked about it yesterday right ? *nods*

 

We did indeed. Cold water diving.

 

Hard to do that when I'm at work right now, though heheh.

 

No, boss, I'm not fooling around... <.<;;

[Valke]

asdf hi

 

I tend to have a foreveranxiety about going into new content, or stuff I haven't run in forever as well, especially when going on my tank classes. C: If you ever need a healer to accompany you, though, hit me up. I'll keep your butt off the ground and stuff. \o/

 

As for tanking advice, you seem to be doing pretty close to what I'm doing on mine so I can't really help you further. o 3o

 

That and I'm a noob tank anyway you don't want any advice from me LEL