New Yoshi-P Interview in Gamescom

[Falkner]

Hi, folks!

Got some additional news from Yoshi-san here; just want to share in case that some of you folks haven't heard about it before.

 

Source: http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/117678-new-Yoshida-Interview-in-Gamescom

 

Notable Information:

 

* there will be daily quests in 2.1 forward.

* chocobo race is planned in golden saucer.

* for release, only 8man content will be available.

* in release, duty finder is aimed for casual end game content. The 8man raids and especially Bahamut instance, you should not ( or you can not) use the duty finder.

* you get 30 days free trail once you bought the game, afterward you have to pay and enjoy the full game. however In the future, we are planning a free trial version with limited access to the game.

 

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I'm a little concerned about the Yoshi's free trial plan though... I hope the game will not eventually drift into F2P system.

[Aduu Avagnar]

WoW has a trial, and is not F2P, WAR has a trial and is not F2P.

 

free trial =/= becoming F2P its all to do with exposure. People like to try before they buy, hence the free trial.

 

now, if the game is doing well, but not well enough to warrant staying as a Sub based game, then it will become F2P.

 

I am slightly worried about how the dailies will be implemented, but still hopefull.

[ShoggMommy]

F2P has become the model for a lot of games these days. It makes the game, technically, more money than a sub-based game. Further, there are a number of really good F2P models out there, Rift has a very good one and it has considerably helped the game. SWTOR, while the model sucks- has helped the game as well. I have heard LOTRO has a good F2P as well which again has helped the game. So in the end we'll see. 

 

So as long as it does not become P2W I'd be fine with it. Either way I am excited for the game whether it stays subbed or does have a F2P model. It isn't a matter of a game doing well or not, it is rather more of what will make the company the most money. Great games that are doing well sub-based could technically do even better as a F2P model. It just is how the industry is shifting these days.

 

Also free trials are good for games as well, gets a player hooked.

[Kylin]

Yoshi himself has made it crystal clear many many times now that the game will not be going FTP, as he sees going that route as a 'failure' of the game due to making a last resort for a money grab. He made a huuuuge wall of text post about it all on the beta forums that I wish was archived somewhere. But in that wall of text, he was very clear that FTP was off the table.

[Falkner]

Nako'li, Oh I'm worried about the dailies too. Aren't we already have leves for now? Hmm...

 

Ms. Fox, LotRO's F2P is good indeed! But in my opinion is a little too close to Pay2Win scheme, especially for its PvP aspect of which you have the option to buy the majority of skills without needing to reach a certain PvP rank, but... who am I to judge, I'm not a good PvPer, not even close

 

Kylin, glad to know that! Thanks for the info!

[ShoggMommy]

Ms. Fox, LotRO's F2P is good indeed! But in my opinion is a little too close to Pay2Win scheme, especially for its PvP aspect of which you have the option to buy the majority of skills without needing to reach a certain PvP rank, but... who am I to judge, I'm not a good PvPer, not even close

 

Ah, I wouldn't know. But it is good to hear that their model is good. I'm not much of a pvper myself but I guess whatever works for the company. Not much a fan of the Play-to-Win type of games personally. 

 

As for Yoshi P. saying that it'll never go F2P... What I can say to that is, I guess we'll see. I hope that it doesn't go F2P if that is what he would rather do. But I am not holding my breath entirely either.  There are many times when Devs and Game Creators have said one thing and has completely changed a year or two down the road.

[F'ibril Nuhn]

And if it does well enough it may end up going halfsies like wow. Still pay a sub and add a cash shop for vanity things or xp boosts as well!

[Jove]

Well I guess Chocobo racing will do me until they implement my amazingly cool idea of Chocobo jousting :chocobo:

 

And if it does well enough it may end up going halfsies like wow. Still pay a sub and add a cash shop for vanity things or xp boosts as well!

 

Oh no, don't say that, SE knows full well we'd throw our wallets at them for a magitek armour mount.

[ShoggMommy]

Well I guess Chocobo racing will do me until they implement my amazingly cool idea of Chocobo jousting :chocobo:

 

Yus!  I support the chocobo racing it sounds incredibly fun.

[Falkner]

F'ibril, I'm with you! I'm terribly weak against store's vanity things... forgive your weak-willed master, my dear wallet :frustrated:

 

Jove, Jousting? That's not fair, Sir Logan, only lancers could participate then!

 

Ms. Fox, I hope we could breed and cross breed Chocobo too just like in FFVII! Having a champion thoroughbred is a huge bragging rights too isn't it?

[Ari Kagon]

Yoshi-P has already expressed disinterest in going F2P. 

here

I also agree with the P2W sentiment. 

 

I'm interested to see what they do with dailies. As long as they aren't grinds to unlock more dailies, I'll be cool with it.

[ShoggMommy]

Ms. Fox, I hope we could breed and cross breed Chocobo too just like in FFVII! Having a champion thoroughbred is a huge bragging rights too isn't it?

 

*Snerk* Dude breeding them would be so adorable.  But... It would amuse me to no end to end up with an accidental gimpy chocobo.

[Renna]

FFXIV, Elder Scrolls Online, and Wildstar are all going with traditional subscription models, and I'm glad to see it. I somewhat understand the views on F2P, and how "if you never play it, you'll never pay it", but some F2P models are such a turn off *cough SWTOR*. I'd rather see companies thinking long term, and have a plan in place that warrants $14.99 a month. Most of the F2P craze seems to be daily fest, casual MMOs that lack good end game (except LOTRO). Produce a well thought out, long lasting game, and we'll be there with our $$$

[Jove]

Jove, Jousting? That's not fair, Sir Logan, only lancers could participate then!

 

Heh heh heh, exactly, you better hope your chocobo is faster than mine >:3

 

(Also I think you just made my day by addressing me as Sir Logan)

 

Ms. Fox, I hope we could breed and cross breed Chocobo too just like in FFVII! Having a champion thoroughbred is a huge bragging rights too isn't it?

 

*Snerk* Dude breeding them would be so adorable.  But... It would amuse me to no end to end up with an accidental gimpy chocobo.

 

And then sell them to the culinary guild, right? ...right?

[ShoggMommy]

And then sell them to the culinary guild, right? ...right?

 

 

Kentucky Fried Chocobo?

[Moondoggie]

There are some arguments for the F2P model but as far as i can see if a game is well managed then they can survive just fine on a subscription model. A lot of the ones who start as sub and move to F2P are just poorly run and slow with rolling out content and patches to keep people returning. Eventually they move to F2P and put the game on life support. My main problem with F2P is that it drags down the quality even further since instead of creating new content they concentrate on providing overpriced trinkets,buffs and advantages to make up for the lack of subscription money. I'd hate for the game to be torn apart with individual payments to use half the stuff in it. Sure you can have an optional subscription service still like some games have done for benefits but these don't make up for the overall drop in quality control.

 

If a game wants to have a cash shop and whatever else with optional vanity items fine but in the F2P model it becomes too much of a priority as a major money maker. If a game is good and stays good people will pay for it as long as it benefits them to do so.

 

 

On a side note that man has beautiful hair. I sort of want to touch it to see what it feels like.

[Falkner]

Yoshi-P has already expressed disinterest in going F2P. 

here

 

Well isn't he's a cool man! Thanks for the link, Noire! :thumbsup:

 

... It would amuse me to no end to end up with an accidental gimpy chocobo.

 

Aye! I want my Big, Fat Chocobo! :lol:

 

Produce a well thought out, long lasting game, and we'll be there with our $$$

 

If a game is good and stays good people will pay for it as long as it benefits them to do so.

 

Definitely agree with both of you! :thumbsup:

[Ellie]

I completely agree with Yoshi-P's sentiment that Free-to-Play models are for publishers who want a return investment on the product they're funding quickly. I feel like that's the reason it's become more prevalent, too. Publishers who want their money back now and don't care about the long term health of the game.

 

I don't like free-to-play because I feel like it detracts from the game. Either I'll have to worry about not having access to the good parts of the game, or I'll have to deal with the game pestering me to buy items from the cash shop, or I'll have to wait longer for updated content to come out. I'd rather just pay a monthly fee and get everything.

 

Free to play also lays down the welcome mat for more RMT. What better way to encourage gil sellers than to take away the cost of subscribing to the game in order to farm and powerlevel?

 

To be honest, I like FFXIV's current spin the cash shop system. The game rewards for subscribing x number of days not only encourages you to pay ahead for subscriptions, but it advertises itself without being annoying. It also paces itself really well.

 

Two new items every month would be a pathetic trickle for a cash shop, but you don't even notice it when it's touted as a subscriber reward. You're waiting for more, but you're not thinking "geez, why don't they release more stuff", you're thinking "wow, I can't wait to see what we'll get in another three months!" It's genius!

 

I'd be very surprised to see this turn into a free-to-play game. Maybe if the subscription rate drops so low that they can't afford to keep the game up otherwise, but at that point I'd think that turning it free-to-play would just delay the inevitable shutting down.

[Jove]

And then sell them to the culinary guild, right? ...right?

 

 

Kentucky Fried Chocobo?

 

"I'll take a leg please!"

 

Now just think about that for a second, just think how big chocobos get :lol:

[Dravus]

I'm more comfortable paying a monthly subscription fee rather than being tempted into purchasing gimmicky cosmetic items in a cash shop. As a role-player and as someone who likes to dabble in every aspect of any given MMO I've been disgusted by temporary 'optional' items appearing in MMO cash shops, many of which are then never seen again.

 

I also find it hilarious to note that many players in games such as GW2 criticise the subscription model of other MMO's and yet pay much more towards cash shop items per month than they ever would on the average monthly subscription fee. As for accusations in regards to the P2P model 'dying'? Utter nonsense - at least three upcoming major MMO's are due to launch with a monthly subscription fee: FFXIV, The Elder Scrolls Online and Wildstar.

[Xha'li Moui]

And then sell them to the culinary guild, right? ...right?

 

 

Kentucky Fried Chocobo?

 

Do you mean Korel Fried Chocobo?  I kind of like the fact that housing will take some effort to get, and isn't something that you get just for playing.  Of course I did start out in Eve, so I'm used to and enjoy needing to work for stuff.

[Jove]

And then sell them to the culinary guild, right? ...right?

 

 

Kentucky Fried Chocobo?

 

Do you mean Korel Fried Chocobo?  I kind of like the fact that housing will take some effort to get, and isn't something that you get just for playing.  Of course I did start out in Eve, so I'm used to and enjoy needing to work for stuff.

 

*Ahem*

 

I thought I was the only one. I'll just leave this here :chocobo:

 

 

 

But I'm a nice person really, honest!

[Xha'li Moui]

I had two Eve kills-one a newb in a rookie ship who kept stealing my roids while I was mining with a retriever in low sec, and the other the CEO of a corp that war-dec'd us.  IIRC that was the ONLY kill in that war.

[Jove]

Ahah, I don't think we would have been friends in EVE, I would have had no hesitation shooting a retriever in lowsec, or anything else for that matter

Although I've always been polite about it and at least somewhat honourable.

 

I think my entire EVE experience is basically this:

 

 

[Dravus]

And then sell them to the culinary guild, right? ...right?

 

 

Kentucky Fried Chocobo?

 

Do you mean Korel Fried Chocobo?  I kind of like the fact that housing will take some effort to get, and isn't something that you get just for playing.  Of course I did start out in Eve, so I'm used to and enjoy needing to work for stuff.

 

I've never played Eve myself, though having stuff to work towards is always refreshing in modern MMO's. I'm a firm believer in ensuring that every player has an enjoyable experience regardless of their chosen style but at the same time I don't believe in the 'no player left behind' mentality that leads to high end achievements being available to everyone for little effort.