Question about viewing RP info in-game.

[AvaZope]

I come from primarily WoW, where there are addons aplenty. Ones that I love more than anything were the MRP type addons that let you put in info about your character that can't be seen from the model. Like a wiki in-game!

 

So my question is- Am I (sadly) correct in noticing there are no addons like this? And that there are no little profile blurbs to put in a paragraph or two on your regular in-game character profile?

 

All I've found is the search info which does appear when you examine someone, but I've only noticed people put roleplayer because there's a 60 chat limit. I tinyurl.com'd my wiki link into mine, which will have to do unless there's a better option.

[Ildur]

Addons have not been implemented yet, though I think Squee said they'd eventually do something about it. So yeah, the only way you can do to have your character's RP profile is to put a link to the RPC wiki (or wherever you store it).

 

There's also the Lodestone, which is a web service for the game, giving you access to your charcater stats, achievements, and see the same for other player's characters. If you login there, you can set a small description for each character (I think the limit is 600 charcaters or something) that anyone can read via the Lodestone.

It's hardly efficient, though.

[AvaZope]

600 words is better than 60! Thanks for letting me know about that!

[Suisei'to]

All I've found is the search info which does appear when you examine someone, but I've only noticed people put roleplayer because there's a 60 chat limit. I tinyurl.com'd my wiki link into mine, which will have to do unless there's a better option.

 

This is brilliant for the time being. People, DO THIS

[Val]

All I've found is the search info which does appear when you examine someone, but I've only noticed people put roleplayer because there's a 60 chat limit. I tinyurl.com'd my wiki link into mine, which will have to do unless there's a better option.

 

This is brilliant for the time being. People, DO THIS

 

Done =) Hopefully people will be interested enough to see.

[Rosekitten]

can you copy and paste from the search information? I never bothered to check. o-o; (would make it a bit easier if you could).

 

Guess I better get off my butt and finish that wiki page sometime here soon .. >_>

[Dravus]

I'm actually sort of glad that there's no RP addons in FFXIV. It's nice to not be assaulted by descriptions of how 'beautiful/powerful/handsome' a particular player's character is. I'm unfortunately not spared it on the wiki pages, but that's another matter entirely!

[Rosekitten]

*never used addons for RP in other games though my experience with RP in other games is limited* >_<

 

I don't see why you would need a add-on to help with rp or track it down (would assume that is what it is for if there was one?) I can almost walk anywhere on the server I'm on and find a rp going on >_>; Most are pretty open as well, only a few groups have I noticed seem to be against outsiders joining them.

[Val]

can you copy and paste from the search information? I never bothered to check. o-o; (would make it a bit easier if you could).

 

Guess I better get off my butt and finish that wiki page sometime here soon .. >_>

You can't =( but it's better than nothing.

[K'dath]

I'm actually sort of glad that there's no RP addons in FFXIV. It's nice to not be assaulted by descriptions of how 'beautiful/powerful/handsome' a particular player's character is. I'm unfortunately not spared it on the wiki pages, but that's another matter entirely!

You're so negative! Coming from a Warcraft background I know exactly what you're talking about though. My friends and I would walk around Silvermoon reading the hilariously bad ones, and take a drink every time one launched into some overly descriptive exposition about how pretty they were. This often resulted in blacking out before 1am.

 

But, it's much better to roll your eyes and laugh it off than be upset about it. You can't change people's RP style.

[Val]

I'm actually sort of glad that there's no RP addons in FFXIV. It's nice to not be assaulted by descriptions of how 'beautiful/powerful/handsome' a particular player's character is. I'm unfortunately not spared it on the wiki pages, but that's another matter entirely!

You're so negative! Coming from a Warcraft background I know exactly what you're talking about though. My friends and I would walk around Silvermoon reading the hilariously bad ones, and take a drink every time one launched into some overly descriptive exposition about how pretty they were. This often resulted in blacking out before 1am.

 

But, it's much better to roll your eyes and laugh it off than be upset about it. You can't change people's RP style.

 

Eh. I don't fault people for wanting to have beautiful/hot/gorgeous/attractive RP characters. I mean, that's the whole point of RP, yeah? To pick a character you like the idea of being and.. well. Be them? Play them out? Whatever.

 

Some of them do make me chuckle, of course, but hey. To each their own.

[Dravus]

I'm actually sort of glad that there's no RP addons in FFXIV. It's nice to not be assaulted by descriptions of how 'beautiful/powerful/handsome' a particular player's character is. I'm unfortunately not spared it on the wiki pages, but that's another matter entirely!

You're so negative! Coming from a Warcraft background I know exactly what you're talking about though. My friends and I would walk around Silvermoon reading the hilariously bad ones, and take a drink every time one launched into some overly descriptive exposition about how pretty they were. This often resulted in blacking out before 1am.

 

But, it's much better to roll your eyes and laugh it off than be upset about it. You can't change people's RP style.

 

Oh, I'm not upset. I'm just a realist: most role-players are pretty awful with no intention of improving. I'm not going to dictate what they can and can't do, but I'll happily look upon them and laugh when I see some of the utterly awful concepts that they pump out. 

 

It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't try and drag everyone else down with them, though sadly even many 'good' role-players begin to treat the playable races in MMO's in a similar way to how the awful role-players portray them. I lost count of the amount of 'serious' Horde role-players who treated even the most grittiest blood elf as a tweenager instead of a zealous, driven individual seeking to do whatever it took to defend his or her homeland.

[K'dath]

I'm actually sort of glad that there's no RP addons in FFXIV. It's nice to not be assaulted by descriptions of how 'beautiful/powerful/handsome' a particular player's character is. I'm unfortunately not spared it on the wiki pages, but that's another matter entirely!

You're so negative! Coming from a Warcraft background I know exactly what you're talking about though. My friends and I would walk around Silvermoon reading the hilariously bad ones, and take a drink every time one launched into some overly descriptive exposition about how pretty they were. This often resulted in blacking out before 1am.

 

But, it's much better to roll your eyes and laugh it off than be upset about it. You can't change people's RP style.

 

Eh. I don't fault people for wanting to have beautiful/hot/gorgeous/attractive RP characters. I mean, that's the whole point of RP, yeah? To pick a character you like the idea of being and.. well. Be them? Play them out? Whatever.

 

Some of them do make me chuckle, of course, but hey. To each their own.

Naturally. It's all escapism. There's just a point where you draw the line and say 'this is too much'. Playing something attractive is fine. Telling me that 'what you behold is the most beautiful, flaxen haired maiden ever to have blessed your vision' is too much.

 

I'd never tell anyone they couldn't write that way if they wanted! But I don't think I'm wrong in saying it's in bad taste to impose your attractiveness on others though.

[SessionZero]

 ...even the most grittiest blood elf as a tweenager instead of a zealous, driven individual...

 

Woah woah woah woah woah woah woah... woah... ... woah. There are "gritty" Belfs?

[K'dath]

 ...even the most grittiest blood elf as a tweenager instead of a zealous, driven individual...

 

Woah woah woah woah woah woah woah... woah... ... woah. There are "gritty" Belfs?

Aaaaaaand that's exactly what we're talking about here.

[Val]

 

I'd never tell anyone they couldn't write that way if they wanted! But I don't think I'm wrong in saying it's in bad taste to impose your attractiveness on others though.

 

I have to say I at least agree here. I've seen someone with all those super hourglass-figured dimensions and saying how beautiful we see them, but uh. Some people think the figure is pretty ugly, so.

 

I totally follow what you're saying though, and agree with it wholeheartedly.

[Dravus]

 ...even the most grittiest blood elf as a tweenager instead of a zealous, driven individual...

 

Woah woah woah woah woah woah woah... woah... ... woah. There are "gritty" Belfs?

Considering that their ongoing story is full of grit, tragedy and they've been forced into doing whatever it takes in order to survive? Yeah, they're gritty. Arguably more so than the majority of other races present in the setting.

 

They're also often portrayed as being both masculine and rather physically strong and imposting, so if anyone truly believes that the following elves are 'feminine' then I'd happily consider them to be an idiot:

 

http://wowpedia.org/File:HanthalLightward.jpg

 

http://wowpedia.org/File:Silvermoon_City_Guardians.jpg

 

http://wowpedia.org/File:Katsin_Bloodoath.jpg

 

 

Here's my character:

 

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/argent-dawn/Solbranthius/simple

 

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/argent-dawn/Soltharn/simple

 

I designed them with the grittier concept art in mind. I've been a fan of the blood elves ever since they first came to be. It's just a shame they attract so many stupid role-players. I feel the same way about the Miqo'te and Elezen in FFXIV - they're not feminine, yet a very large portion of role-players insist on presenting them as being that way. In turn, many other role-players begin incorporating that into their role-play to the point where it is seen as the norm rather than the exception.

 

...and that, along with numerous other reasons is why I loathe most role-players!

[K'dath]

 ...even the most grittiest blood elf as a tweenager instead of a zealous, driven individual...

 

Woah woah woah woah woah woah woah... woah... ... woah. There are "gritty" Belfs?

Considering that their ongoing story is full of grit, tragedy and they've been forced into doing whatever it takes in order to survive? Yeah, they're gritty. Arguably more so than the majority of other races present in the setting.

 

They're also often portrayed as being both masculine and rather physically strong and imposting, so if anyone truly believes that the following elves are 'feminine' then I'd happily consider them to be an idiot:

 

http://wowpedia.org/File:HanthalLightward.jpg

 

http://wowpedia.org/File:Silvermoon_City_Guardians.jpg

 

http://wowpedia.org/File:Katsin_Bloodoath.jpg

 

 

Here's my character:

 

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/argent-dawn/Solbranthius/simple

 

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/argent-dawn/Soltharn/simple

 

I designed them with the grittier concept art in mind. I've been a fan of the blood elves ever since they first came to be. It's just a shame they attract so many stupid role-players. I feel the same way about the Miqo'te and Elezen in FFXIV - they're not feminine, yet a very large portion of role-players insist on presenting them as being that way. In turn, many other role-players begin incorporating that into their role-play to the point where it is seen as the norm rather than the exception.

 

...and that, along with numerous other reasons is why I loathe most role-players!

I love the Blood Elves too. And debasing them as a bunch of flaming, girly, gits more obsessed if their armor matches their scrunchie than bloodletting is obnoxious to me. They are the most screwed over race on Azeroth, hands down. They've been genocided almost out of existence twice, and a third if Jaina had her way. Then the player base makes it all the worse by applying this caustic stereotype to them. Blizzard certainly hadn't helped with it either, until 5.2 when the Blood Elves finally demanded some goddamn attention.

 

I was really disappointed they spent all of MoP building up Lor'Themar as a brilliant tactician, a cunning general, and a passionate leader, only to pass off Warchief to someone else who wasn't even around for most of the expac.

 

Elves in general, no matter where you go, suffer from the 'dainty and girly' stereotype though. I think it's just the 'jock' culture bleeding into the Fantasy genre as it's become more mainstreamed and normalized. 'Beautiful in a way not comprehensible to mortals' is translated as 'girly' to the uninitiated of the genre. And I bet you every dollar I have that when ESO goes live there will be a rush of effeminate Bosmer with nothing to their character besides the fact they are fabulous. No one will take into context their long history as a brutal, savage cannibalistic people, closer to beastfolk than real mer.

 

It's a pitty, and it's one I try not to abide. I think allowing this sort of behavior to be the standard is a cancer. But ultimately there's nothing you can do about it besides try not to associate yourself with it.

[Dravus]

 ...even the most grittiest blood elf as a tweenager instead of a zealous, driven individual...

 

Woah woah woah woah woah woah woah... woah... ... woah. There are "gritty" Belfs?

Considering that their ongoing story is full of grit, tragedy and they've been forced into doing whatever it takes in order to survive? Yeah, they're gritty. Arguably more so than the majority of other races present in the setting.

 

They're also often portrayed as being both masculine and rather physically strong and imposting, so if anyone truly believes that the following elves are 'feminine' then I'd happily consider them to be an idiot:

 

http://wowpedia.org/File:HanthalLightward.jpg

 

http://wowpedia.org/File:Silvermoon_City_Guardians.jpg

 

http://wowpedia.org/File:Katsin_Bloodoath.jpg

 

 

Here's my character:

 

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/argent-dawn/Solbranthius/simple

 

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/argent-dawn/Soltharn/simple

 

I designed them with the grittier concept art in mind. I've been a fan of the blood elves ever since they first came to be. It's just a shame they attract so many stupid role-players. I feel the same way about the Miqo'te and Elezen in FFXIV - they're not feminine, yet a very large portion of role-players insist on presenting them as being that way. In turn, many other role-players begin incorporating that into their role-play to the point where it is seen as the norm rather than the exception.

 

...and that, along with numerous other reasons is why I loathe most role-players!

I love the Blood Elves too. And debasing them as a bunch of flaming, girly, gits more obsessed if their armor matches their scrunchie than bloodletting is obnoxious to me. They are the most screwed over race on Azeroth, hands down. They've been genocided almost out of existence twice, and a third if Jaina had her way. Then the player base makes it all the worse by applying this caustic stereotype to them. Blizzard certainly hadn't helped with it either, until 5.2 when the Blood Elves finally demanded some goddamn attention.

 

I was really disappointed they spent all of MoP building up Lor'Themar as a brilliant tactician, a cunning general, and a passionate leader, only to pass off Warchief to someone else who wasn't even around for most of the expac.

 

Elves in general, no matter where you go, suffer from the 'dainty and girly' stereotype though. I think it's just the 'jock' culture bleeding into the Fantasy genre as it's become more mainstreamed and normalized. 'Beautiful in a way not comprehensible to mortals' is translated as 'girly' to the uninitiated of the genre. And I bet you every dollar I have that when ESO goes live there will be a rush of effeminate Bosmer with nothing to their character besides the fact they are fabulous. No one will take into context their long history as a brutal, savage cannibalistic people, closer to beastfolk than real mer.

 

It's a pitty, and it's one I try not to abide. I think allowing this sort of behavior to be the standard is a cancer. But ultimately there's nothing you can do about it besides try not to associate yourself with it.

 

There were other reasons behind my decision to leave WoW, but Vol'jin becoming Warchief was one of them. It made no sense - he wasn't even the driving force behind the rebellion and he was stupid enough to threaten to kill Garrosh even before he went off the deep end. The Horde needs a diplomatic leader who is capable of understanding how both the Horde and the Alliance works - which is something Vol'jin is not capable of.

 

As for TESO, I'm really looking forward to it - though I do have some concerns regarding the elves being portrayed poorly, especially by role-players. I think more developers need to be aware that their 'joke' NPC's are often taken at face value and used as an excuse to twist the entire race into being something it isn't portrayed as being in the more serious aspects of the lore.

 

Regardless, we should RP at some point! We seem to have similar views, after all and this thread inspired me to devote to my elezen to help combat the more questionable stereotypes surrounding the race.

[J'rakh Tia]

I, for one, never really bought into the "lulz belfs r gurlz xDDDD" memes that tend to infest and infect WoW. I suppose it is because I came into the game via TFT, which painted them as a rather tragic but driven race. It certainly never gave the impression of them being feminine. This came with the rather ill-conceived character /silly and the posture implemented by Blizzard, but I struggle to take it seriously. In regards to grit, I can't think of a "grittier" race in the setting. The adulation heaped upon the trolls and Vol'jin in WoW has grown dull; I've never been a huge enthusiast of the race.

 

As far as FFXIV is concerned, although I can see why some faces lend the impression that the Miqo'te are feminine, you can certainly design them to look masculine. The Seeker of the Sun lore doesn't come across as very feminine to me. I think the characterisation holds even less water for the Elezen. You can clearly tell the male ones are male. The females do tend to be a bit more androgynous, though. Yet not to the point that you'd be hard-pressed to tell them apart. 

 

/offtopic digression

[Ildur]

I'm surprised nobody has yet made the obvious joke about Midlander males being feminine. They even have a face that, combined with some hair styles, could pass as a young woman.

 

I'm actually sort of glad that there's no RP addons in FFXIV. It's nice to not be assaulted by descriptions of how 'beautiful/powerful/handsome' a particular player's character is.

 

Do you realize that addons would be optional and that, even if you had the correct addon, you'd still need to click on some buttons to be "assaulted" by those beautiful, powerful and handsome descriptions?

[Dravus]

I'm surprised nobody has yet made the obvious joke about Midlander males being feminine. They even have a face that, combined with some hair styles, could pass as a young woman.

 

I'm actually sort of glad that there's no RP addons in FFXIV. It's nice to not be assaulted by descriptions of how 'beautiful/powerful/handsome' a particular player's character is.

 

Do you realize that addons would be optional and that, even if you had the correct addon, you'd still need to click on some buttons to be "assaulted" by those beautiful, powerful and handsome descriptions?

 

Are they really optional when present, though? Certain guilds in WoW refused to interact with people who didn't have one and embraced a similar stance on Argent Dawn where the Argent Archives - a site devoted to character profiles - was concerned. I just don't feel as though they aid in shaping a healthy community.

[Ildur]

Yes, they are really optional. Interacting with those certain guilds is as optional as the addons they require.

In fact, their requeriment is also optional: they could have decided not to require them.

 

The only way the addons would be really not optional would be if the whole or at least the great majority of the roleplaying community decided that people not using that addon should be shunned off and ignored. And if the community does that, then there's a much bigger problem than the addon's existance: that the community is composed of jerks. The addon would just make it explicit.

[K'dath]

@Theo

I've thought about making an Elzen, since I've officially canceled my WoW sub and have nothing better to do. I actually defaulted to FF:XIV after a fatal error kept me from playing the game shortly after I filed a complaint about one of the stealth fixes Blizzard did during the 5.4 patch. All attempts to talk to customer serviser were put off, passed around, and usually ended with me being told "Your issue isn't important to us." I decided I'm not paying that jack off's salary anymore. If Blizz can't treat their customers decent then I'll go give my money to their competition, it's no skin off my nose.

 

...But I should really finish the main story with at least one character first before I go make a ton of alts. Either way, you're welcome to pester me whenever you wish. If I'm at home and awake I'm probably logged in to contact at your convenience. 

 

@Ildur

They're not realistically optional on WoW, sadly. Because we have 'designated' RP servers, as it has been said on other threads, it makes us a target for non-RPing griefers. If you have the addon installed you can see anyone else who has it installed. It's generally the way the RP community finds each other amidst the flood of people on the server who aren't RPers or are dedicated RP trolls. If someone doesn't have it, you generally assume they are only on the server to give you a hard time.

 

So yes, having it as a requirement is a symptom of the community. It's the arbitrary line in the sand RPers have drawn around themselves as a barrier against the filthy 'non-RP scum'.

 

That being said, no RP guild I've been in has ever explicitly required them or you're not allowed in. The ones that do are usually closed, invitation only ones anyway that don't openly recruit. At least in my experience. Your mileage may vary.

[Dravus]

@Theo

I've thought about making an Elzen, since I've officially canceled my WoW sub and have nothing better to do. I actually defaulted to FF:XIV after a fatal error kept me from playing the game shortly after I filed a complaint about one of the stealth fixes Blizzard did during the 5.4 patch. All attempts to talk to customer serviser were put off, passed around, and usually ended with me being told "Your issue isn't important to us." I decided I'm not paying that jack off's salary anymore. If Blizz can't treat their customers decent then I'll go give my money to their competition, it's no skin off my nose.

 

...But I should really finish the main story with at least one character first before I go make a ton of alts. Either way, you're welcome to pester me whenever you wish. If I'm at home and awake I'm probably logged in to contact at your convenience. 

 

I considered making one early on and found myself a little put off by their idle stance and proportions...yet my partner was very convincing when selling them to me more recently. I put up with the slightly 'off' shoulders of blood elf men back in WoW, so I consider myself more than capable of putting up with a similar issue for the elezen in FFXIV.

 

They've also grown on me quite a bit after doing the quests in both the Black Shroud and Coerthas. Then there's the fact that I'm a pretty stubborn guy who loves to sink my teeth into a challenge. I see role-playing an elezen well as a fitting challenge, so I'll be portraying mine as the knightly type rather than yet another sleazy ERP baiting womaniser that seems to make up the majority of what few elezen men I've seen thus far.