~Crafting Corner~

[Vareal]

Ok, here's a link to the only other RPC thread I could find on this issue: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=979 and this one viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1473

 

So, let's dedicate this thread to the crafters of the world! So there are links to recipe's, the best site I've found for this is FFXIVorigin.com they've got rec's for nearly every class.

 

The only thing I'm confused about, and I can't find any info on it anywhere (you search FFXIV for anything all you get is FFXI stuff...) Is do you need to own recepies, or do you just follow one online and boom, you get it? Well, I tried that by attempting to make a Bronze Ignot which requires 4 Bronze Nuggets and 8 Fire Crystals. I have everything to make one, but I can't do it. Anyone with experience in this please help us out! I'll keep experimenting with stuff to try and figure things out.

[Asyria]

Why multiply the threads about the same topic?

 

Also, you need Crystals, what you likely have is Shards, a lesser form of Crystals, that's why it's not working.

[Vareal]

Why multiply the threads about the same topic?

 

Also, you need Crystals, what you likely have is Shards, a lesser form of Crystals, that's why it's not working.

I'm trying to pull them all to gether in one thread so they're not scattered >.<

 

That way instead of someone having to browse for ever, they can jsut click on the crafting corcer and have some place that will have links to everything they need for it. Think of it as one stop shopping.

 

And no, the rec on ffxivorigins says it requires shards. But now that I think about it, I didn't have enough shards, but I've got a ways to go before I attempt some bronze stuff. I failed trying to create the head for the bronze ball pein hammer.

[Asyria]

Then there are conflicting recipes already. o_O

I've seen it listed as requiring Crystals.

Either way, the thread I made back then that you linked to could have simply been bumped, the databases are already linked in a sticky post and, all in all, I've seen very very little interest in crafting threads so far around here, which surprises me.

[Vareal]

I've seen very very little interest in crafting threads so far around here' date=' which surprises me.[/quote']

 

That's probably because it people get detered from it. I know I'm getting a little ticked, but I'm not going to give up on it. I want to play a crafting class for once in my life and from what I can tell so far, Crafting in this game isn't nearly as horrible as crafting in Lineage 2, save for the part where you don't get recipe's...

[Trizzip]

Guides/Databases

 

The crafting links are towards the bottom. If you have more links, just post in the thread and I'll add 'em.

[FreelanceWizard]

That's probably because it people get detered from it.

 

Bit of a threadjack here, but... I enjoy crafting in EQ2 and WoW, and I can even tolerate it in CoH, but the system here is rather tough. I don't mind creating my own personal grimoire of synthesis recipes, but the failure rates remind me a lot of the early days of EQ2 -- without the exploding forges that instantly kill you, thankfully. The recipes I've found so far in goldsmithing produce relatively unimpressive items, too. It's hard for me to get excited about something that's seemingly so important, yet so punishing to those who try to approach it. Compared to the combat system (which I'm really starting to love) and even the gathering mini-games, synthesis seems so arbitrary and just plain mean.

[Zyrusticae]

I've been trying to craft. Trying so hard!

 

But, okay, see here... the most basic crafts available all require crystals. Crystals are exceedingly rare drops from specific mob types. Basically, I have no choice but to find a mob that drops a particular crystal element and then farm that mob endlessly to get materials for my most basic of crafts (turning ores into nuggets).

 

But wait! I can't actually complete the craft for that most basic of recipes, for reasons completely unknown and alien to me! Even more dishearteningly, I've somehow managed to grind my way up to rank 6 blacksmithing (off of SO MANY FAILURES and occasional successes in local levequests), and yet the failure rate seems to be as INHUMANLY SADISTIC as ever.

 

I just don't understand it. It's like they're doing everything they can to dissuade people from ever going anywhere with it.

 

This isn't even mentioning the fact that the first axe upgrade recipe requires a material component that nobody knows how to acquire (red ochre buffalo leather strap)....

[Asyria]

Zyrusticae, shards don't come exclusively from mobs, you also pick them up from gathering.

As for the inhumanly hard crafting, there's a trick.

We, the players, are meant to discover these things by ourselves but luckily for you, while many have tentatively succeeded in making things work without really knowing how, there's this one guy who figured out The Secret Of Succesful Crafting!

Ta daaaaaa!

http://www.ffxivcore.com/topic/12420-try-this-my-theory-of-blacksmithing/

[Tadir]

Just so you know. You are given a recipe after every guildleve. I got ones for two different types of crawfish today. They show up in your chat box after you complete the leve. If you don't write them down then no record is kept, but they do give them to you. The two I got today:

 

[something] crayfish

1 Distilled Water

1 Crayfish

1 Iron Acorn

1 Sack Rye Flower

 

 

Crimson Crayfish

1 Mineral Water

1 Bottle of Cloves

1 Crimson Crayfish

1 Table Salt

 

I'll let you know if I get any more tomorrow.

[Zyrusticae]

Zyrusticae, shards don't come exclusively from mobs, you also pick them up from gathering.

As for the inhumanly hard crafting, there's a trick.

We, the players, are meant to discover these things by ourselves but luckily for you, while many have tentatively succeeded in making things work without really knowing how, there's this one guy who figured out The Secret Of Succesful Crafting!

Ta daaaaaa!

http://www.ffxivcore.com/topic/12420-try-this-my-theory-of-blacksmithing/

I tried that.

 

To be frank, I already know more than he did at the time he made that post. It doesn't work with high fail-rate crafts (the friggin' nuggets, in particular).

 

To be more specific:

White and gold have the highest success rates, with gold being higher than white, and all success rates are independent of which type of synthesis you use. Red is the lowest of the solid colors, and from what I have seen, when it fails, it fails catastrophically. Obviously, with the rapidly fluctuating colors, there are only two options: Suck it up and hit rapid craft, or wait and hope it stabilizes (and it will... eventually).

 

You CAN succeed in crafts just by spamming the rapid option, but it'll result in extremely low-quality crafts. It also doesn't work if you keep failing, as you will lose more durability than you gain in progress, not to mention the craft can get unstable and eventually (literally) explode.

 

 

Also, I was talking about crystals, not shards. I don't recall ever acquiring a single crystal throughout all eleven ranks of my mining. Maybe fishing or botany are different, but that's just maddening if it is, as it would just make blacksmithing and armory even more gimped next to the other tradeskills.

[Tadir]

I believe alchemists can turn shards into crystals at a pretty low level.

[Zyrusticae]

I believe that is the intent, yes, but the recipes simply do not exist currently. Hopefully something that goes in for release (if not, well... sucks to be you, smithers!)

[Tadir]

The recipes do exist. The best way to learn new recipes is to do the local guildleves. At the end of EVERY ONE you get a recipe.

[Kejira]

The recipes do exist. The best way to learn new recipes is to do the local guildleves. At the end of EVERY ONE you get a recipe.

 

Yep that how it is, all recipes are there, they are just tricky or near impossible to find out without finding out through guildleves.

[Zyrusticae]

No, you don't understand... you automatically gain the ability to make an item when you are of high enough rank. You don't actually need to "acquire" the recipe to begin with (and the game has no way of recording this anyways); that's just for your convenience.

 

There is simply no way to convert shards into crystals at the moment. You can try any permutation but it simply does not work. You CAN, however, convert crystals into shards... although this is a pretty useless option since crystals are considerably rarer than shards to begin with.

[Aveline]

There is simply no way to convert shards into crystals at the moment.

Yes there is! Alchemists can.

 

The recipe is:

Fine Sand x1

Normal Shard x16

 

You get 1 crystal per 16 shards.

 

I'm not sure what level you have to be to make crystals. I know that turning crystals into shards is level 8 alchemy, so turning shards into crystals is probably somewhere in that level range as well.

[Zyrusticae]

http://www.ffxivcore.com/topic/15004-making-crystals

 

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/finalfan ... pid=960613

 

If someone HAS managed to make them, that'd be great... for them. Me, I don't plan on leveling a third craft (two is hard enough, good grief)...

[Vareal]

I'm sure they'll give us access to a recipe book eventually, if not then that'd be kinda... lame? I dunno, it would be interesting to have to keep your very own recipe book that you write in every time you get a new one, but who's gunna do that? Anyway, I'm going to stick with being a blacksmith despite how irritating it can or will become. I just hope they impliment an Auction House by launch.

[Asyria]

They said they would wait before implementing an AH.

 

Also, once and for all, this game is not your usual sit-and-wait-for-the-goodies mmo, we have to earn things, and lots of us like it that way. We also have to keep in mind that this is not a grind-to-cap-ASAP-and-raid type of game. the way SE made it, we are meant to take our time and enjoy every aspect of the game. Leveling 3 crafting classes for example seems like horrible work, but if you do it over a year or two, it would be a piece of cake. Not only that, but the way the economy is made to work, players are encouraged to trade with each other. You don't -have- to level Alchemy, you just have to have an Alchemist friend or acquaintance to trade with.

I don't think, even in the long term, what they mean for us to do everything by ourselves, even if it certainly is possible, with time. More than any other mmo I played, FF XIV is a social game, a community game.

Yet so many people seem to think only in terms of 1st person.

It kinda baffles me.

[Vareal]

I don't think, even in the long term, what they mean for us to do everything by ourselves, even if it certainly is possible, with time. More than any other mmo I played, FF XIV is a social game, a community game.

Yet so many people seem to think only in terms of 1st person.

It kinda baffles me.

 

I've been getting that same vibe from just about everyone I've encountered in the game so far. You ask anything in chat or shout and nearly no one replies, sometimes takes 10 minutes to get a reply. I suppose people are comming from games like Aion, or Lineage 2 or WoW where you can solo the game's (so to speak) I dunno, I just wanna help people and in return be helped. I love this community idea MMO, it's a good change from afore mentioned games.

[Tadir]

No, you don't understand... you automatically gain the ability to make an item when you are of high enough rank. You don't actually need to "acquire" the recipe to begin with (and the game has no way of recording this anyways); that's just for your convenience.

 

There is simply no way to convert shards into crystals at the moment. You can try any permutation but it simply does not work. You CAN, however, convert crystals into shards... although this is a pretty useless option since crystals are considerably rarer than shards to begin with.

 

 

No, you don't understand. If you have the ingredients you can try to make it. You have a much greater chance of failing, but you don't need to unlock the recipes. You absolutely can convert shards into crystals. You don't automatically gain the ability to make it when you hit a certain rank. You always have it, you're just going to fail a lot.

 

And if you don't want to level a third craft then make friends with an alchemist who can do it for you. That's kind of the point of mmos.

[Renaise]

I dont suppose anyone with leatherworking skill can make me a buffalo leather strap? I have the materials... well -1 wind shard...

[Rreeth]

I have found a few recipes not listed on the database sites yet, both through leves and through just experimenting with materials I have on hand. However, I am not planning to post to the databases until the game actually goes live. No sense in posting it now when beta is subject to change at any time.

[Tadir]

I agree. I'm compiling my own list so that I have stuff to try when the game is released. I'll share the recipes I find, of course, but I'm not adding them to any of the crafting databases until release.