Khadan Posted May 12, 2015 Share #51 Posted May 12, 2015 Sorry, Kyrrae, didn't mean to cut the legs out from under you, just that was my immediate reaction. That aside, the logic there is valid, but I would also posit that they at least train their conscripts in the use of guns/gunblades. Even Chao, for all her prodigious magical and physical talent, is well aware that sometimes it pays to be able to quick-draw and put a .50 SAP-HE in somebody (not that I'm implying Garlemald has calibers and special ammunition like that). Me, I would love to see that prevalence of guns when we go to kick over Garlemald. I'd rather be on the other side of the guns imbalance, but you get what you've got. Hell, Ghost would feel right at home. I would still go back to the whole notion of only seeing officers and high-ranking individuals with gunblades. As not every soldier has one it stands to reason that the common soldiery either wasn't allowed to train with them, wasn't able to due to limited quantity, or simply that they didn't need to. I.e. it doesn't really make any sense to take a modern day Marine and rather then train him or her in marksmanship with a rifle and squad tactics to then say "oh by the way we're also going to train you to use a sword because... reasons!" It's generally better to play to a soldier's strengths, anyway. With the conscripts being primarily Eorzean it's likely that the idea of using a gun or a gunblade wasn't even something they considered or were ever considered for due to the lack of evidence of any prevalence whatsoever of the weapon in Eorzea. If you want to say that your own character(s) is familiar with that kind of weaponry then that's of course just fine. Link to comment
Kyrrae L'minia Posted May 12, 2015 Share #52 Posted May 12, 2015 I had a feeling someone might make a poke at me for calling an M-16 expensive. And yeah, I see your point Kayllen. Logically it wouldn't make sense. But hey, this is SE here, so for all we know we'll get to Garlemald and they'll be like, "Gunblades galore cause they're KOOL!". Only reason I bring that up as a possiblity is at PAX East, someone asked Yoshi-P about gunblades, and how it doesn't seem Machinist uses them, (echoing their disappointment) and he said something to the effect of, "Well, this isn't the only gun job we'll come out with, so don't give up hope." Link to comment
Khadan Posted May 12, 2015 Share #53 Posted May 12, 2015 I had a feeling someone might make a poke at me for calling an M-16 expensive. And yeah, I see your point Kayllen. Logically it wouldn't make sense. But hey, this is SE here, so for all we know we'll get to Garlemald and they'll be like, "Gunblades galore cause they're KOOL!". Only reason I bring that up as a possiblity is at PAX East, someone asked Yoshi-P about gunblades, and how it doesn't seem Machinist uses them, (echoing their disappointment) and he said something to the effect of, "Well, this isn't the only gun job we'll come out with, so don't give up hope." In before Gunadin. Link to comment
Raine Posted May 12, 2015 Share #54 Posted May 12, 2015 I had a feeling someone might make a poke at me for calling an M-16 expensive. And yeah, I see your point Kayllen. Logically it wouldn't make sense. But hey, this is SE here, so for all we know we'll get to Garlemald and they'll be like, "Gunblades galore cause they're KOOL!". Only reason I bring that up as a possiblity is at PAX East, someone asked Yoshi-P about gunblades, and how it doesn't seem Machinist uses them, (echoing their disappointment) and he said something to the effect of, "Well, this isn't the only gun job we'll come out with, so don't give up hope." In before Gunadin. They'll call the Gunbladers "SeeD" >> Link to comment
Aaron Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share #55 Posted May 12, 2015 I had a feeling someone might make a poke at me for calling an M-16 expensive. And yeah, I see your point Kayllen. Logically it wouldn't make sense. But hey, this is SE here, so for all we know we'll get to Garlemald and they'll be like, "Gunblades galore cause they're KOOL!". Only reason I bring that up as a possiblity is at PAX East, someone asked Yoshi-P about gunblades, and how it doesn't seem Machinist uses them, (echoing their disappointment) and he said something to the effect of, "Well, this isn't the only gun job we'll come out with, so don't give up hope." Bruh, id be all over a gunblade class. Ill take the animoo hate or whatever i wouldnt give two fucks lol Link to comment
Khadan Posted May 12, 2015 Share #56 Posted May 12, 2015 I had a feeling someone might make a poke at me for calling an M-16 expensive. And yeah, I see your point Kayllen. Logically it wouldn't make sense. But hey, this is SE here, so for all we know we'll get to Garlemald and they'll be like, "Gunblades galore cause they're KOOL!". Only reason I bring that up as a possiblity is at PAX East, someone asked Yoshi-P about gunblades, and how it doesn't seem Machinist uses them, (echoing their disappointment) and he said something to the effect of, "Well, this isn't the only gun job we'll come out with, so don't give up hope." In before Gunadin. They'll call the Gunbladers "SeeD" >> I want to simultaneously high-five and strangle you for that LOL Link to comment
Raine Posted May 12, 2015 Share #57 Posted May 12, 2015 I had a feeling someone might make a poke at me for calling an M-16 expensive. And yeah, I see your point Kayllen. Logically it wouldn't make sense. But hey, this is SE here, so for all we know we'll get to Garlemald and they'll be like, "Gunblades galore cause they're KOOL!". Only reason I bring that up as a possiblity is at PAX East, someone asked Yoshi-P about gunblades, and how it doesn't seem Machinist uses them, (echoing their disappointment) and he said something to the effect of, "Well, this isn't the only gun job we'll come out with, so don't give up hope." In before Gunadin. They'll call the Gunbladers "SeeD" >> I want to simultaneously high-five and strangle you for that LOL I made a frenemy! :chocobo: I honestly would like gunblades for use though, but I don't really see it happening anytime soon, they'd have to make all sorts of different movesets for close and mid-ranged attacks, and it'd be likely the close-ranged would outclass the mid-ranged, so everyone would just be swinging their swords. Link to comment
Chris Ganale Posted May 12, 2015 Share #58 Posted May 12, 2015 this isn't the only gun job we'll come out with -Spits drink- ...Go on. Link to comment
Aaron Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share #59 Posted May 12, 2015 Maybe the gunblades would have two forms like Cleric Stance. Blade for dps, debuffing bullets or something for mid range. Link to comment
Raine Posted May 12, 2015 Share #60 Posted May 12, 2015 Maybe the gunblades would have two forms like Cleric Stance. Blade for dps, debuffing bullets or something for mid range. That's true, too. I've never really touched Healer or any type of magic class so I can't really say much on it. Link to comment
Kyrrae L'minia Posted May 12, 2015 Share #61 Posted May 12, 2015 See, I'm in what is probably the odd minority of people who would like to have a gun tanking job ala Rihtahtyn sas Arvina with big shield-gun-arms lol. Link to comment
Leomoon Posted May 13, 2015 Share #62 Posted May 13, 2015 The one Gun blade I have seen work is in XIII seeing as Lightnings weapon would fold into a gun and then turn into a blade when needed. As for XIV the Garleans I think uses a version that brings aether into the barrel and shoots out something like to a exploding fireball. We see the impacts in some of the CGI movies but there is not small bullet whole its a ball of energy as well in game it would be very situational it would be something to a mix of PLD's melee combat and BRD's skill set. I don't see us using the Gun blade at any point in time until maybe LONG time the line and even then the skills used in it would be somewhat odd. Link to comment
Khadan Posted May 13, 2015 Share #63 Posted May 13, 2015 The one Gun blade I have seen work is in XIII seeing as Lightnings weapon would fold into a gun and then turn into a blade when needed. As for XIV the Garleans I think uses a version that brings aether into the barrel and shoots out something like to a exploding fireball. We see the impacts in some of the CGI movies but there is not small bullet whole its a ball of energy as well in game it would be very situational it would be something to a mix of PLD's melee combat and BRD's skill set. I don't see us using the Gun blade at any point in time until maybe LONG time the line and even then the skills used in it would be somewhat odd. Every in game version of a gunblade (short of Lightning's non-canon one) has a cylinder for chambered ammunition. Since the Garleans can't by biology use Aether it would seem more likely that they would make a gun and then bullets for it. The effect you're speaking of is likely tracer ammunition or the glow is an aftereffect of whatever powder mixture they're using; that or they're also using ceruleum to power their ammo the crazy gits. The sparking effect was the high-velocity round impacting the WoL's armor and likely breaking up into shards, though something obviously got through enough to wound him which is pretty common when shooting at anything through material. I don't forsee any new classes until the next expansion, either, here's hoping for Ala Mhigo once Ishgard is secured =P Link to comment
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