No, please...

[SessionZero]

Just start crafting where we're RPing, you're not being intrusive or anything. :frustrated:

 

[Brave]

Deep breath...

The trolls are everywhere, but with the power of our imaginations, we will prevail over their inconsiderate behavior =)

[Grott]

Sometimes I think griefers are funny. One time we had a Roegadyn sit down in the same chair as one of us, completely covering one of our RPers as they were speaking. We all got a good laugh out of it. Another time we had four naked guys on goobbues start jumping up and down on us mid-conversation.

 

They're assholes, but there's nothing you can really do except laugh it off.

[Rosekitten]

Zero x'D i need to show you the images I got

 

i have to admit I myself was laughing pretty hard, I was almost crying. >w<

 

edit: granted I meant when we had the other trolls pop in and started table dancing.

[LiadansWhisper]

Might try asking them politely to move.  It works a lot of the time for me.

[K'dath]

I can't say if that's any worse than 'Crane Trolling' which became really popular on my WoW server. People would get the crane mounts which just make the most awful noise you ever hear, and honk at RPers relentlessly. For hours.

 

You have to wonder, how devoid their lives are of any humor if they can afford hours to simply spoiling another person's enjoyment of a game we all pay money to play. I would say simply don't let it get to you. They're having fun they only way they know how, because their minds are small.

[Pondahl]

It's very easy to say this, but... ignore 'em~

 

It's something that comes with time and practice.  You accept that people are willing to give up hours of their lives to try and get a reaction on a game they're paying to play, and they no longer phase you~

 

And with selective use of blacklist, you can filter them out of your chatbox, too.  That requires less time and practice

[Chisae]

You know... that's actually harrassment... you could make a complaint ticke; politely remind the GM that you are a paying customer andall that still, just because you're rping doesn't mean you're not playing the game.

 

You should really feel sorry for these folk, if they can sit there for hours and try to disrupt u

Your game time then they must have no social lives at all. Probably narrow minded children who learned how to be bullies from their dad (or are just sociopaths).

 

Pat them on the back and tell them it,s ok, jesus loves them even though no one else does... lol that should send them into a nerdrage. Lol

[K'dath]

It's very easy to say this, but... ignore 'em~

 

It's something that comes with time and practice.  You accept that people are willing to give up hours of their lives to try and get a reaction on a game they're paying to play, and they no longer phase you~

 

And with selective use of blacklist, you can filter them out of your chatbox, too.  That requires less time and practice

 

I believe someone else mentioned in a thread about griefing that, while people that don't like RP are free to blacklist RPers so they don't see their RP in their chat logs, we can't exactly block the graphics of their whole bodies sitting on top of us, or tossing nauseating spell effects at us.

 

Ignoring them rarely works as well as you like. You need to be upfront. You don't need to be as much of an asshole as they are in return, but you need to be stern.

 

"Excuse me, sir, but you're going out of your way to bother us while we have no intent of bothering you. If you're offended by our role playing you are free to blacklist us so they you do not have to abide it. Please and thank you."

 

And if they feel the need to be a snark back, kindly remind them that Square has a zero tolerance policy on harassment and ask them kindly again to cease and desist. If they start swearing or using vulgar language, that alone is cause for suspension. Write a ticket and blacklist them. Go somewhere else if it bothers you, because even though they 'win' by driving you away, you know you have the moral high ground, and that should be enough. It's just a space in a game, as good as any other.

 

Shockingly enough, politely asking them to leave works most often, in my experience. They're either shocked or shamed into silence and shuffle off because what they want from you is anger. Ignoring them encourages them to continue until they get a response, and usually their persistence will last longer than your average RPers temper. Don't call them names or say rude things to them, it just puts you on their level.

[Pondahl]

Not going to quote, because... too long, adds to the required scrolling of the page, but...

You have far more faith in people than I, X'chail :love: Which is good or bad, depending on where you stand.

[K'dath]

Haha, it's far less faith than it is years of headaches. Though I do prefer to think that people are good, until they are bad.

 

Most people will act like jerks because it gives them an ego boost. Being polite in return is usually jarring to them because it's not what they expect, and they don't know how to react. They become self-conscious because you have more self-control than they do, and they leave with wounded pride, less likely to do it again soon or risk humiliation again. 

 

Though these are just observations I've made over the years in other games. It'll naturally vary from game to game, server to server, and person to person.

 

Some people are just damaged goods and delight in that fact, and there's nothing you can do about them.

[Grott]

Had a lalafell run up to us tonight and say "lol rp"

 

He came back five minutes later and spammed /laugh and /chuckle for a few minutes. I thought it was kind of funny because our conversation was pretty serious. As accusations are flying and authority is being questioned, you have this little kid shaking his arms and laughing his ass off at something in the distance. I like to pretend it was a butterfly or a squirrel.

 

I didn't mind it because blacklist exists to stop the chat spam and I can just ignore the guy easily enough, but I can see how it could bother some people.

[Katanyae]

You know... that's actually harrassment... you could make a complaint ticke; politely remind the GM that you are a paying customer andall that still, just because you're rping doesn't mean you're not playing the game.

 

You should really feel sorry for these folk, if they can sit there for hours and try to disrupt u

Your game time then they must have no social lives at all. Probably narrow minded children who learned how to be bullies from their dad (or are just sociopaths).

 

Pat them on the back and tell them it,s ok, jesus loves them even though no one else does... lol that should send them into a nerdrage. Lol

 

Personally I think that's a waste of time.

 

It was a guy that decided to craft. It's not up to the playerbase to decide when and where he can do it.

 

Roleplayers need to start having some thicker skin and not letting everything bother them. Not trying to play devil's advocate or start a fight, and I know this view probably won't be so highly veiwed by Rpers. But for goodness sake if everytime something bad happens we cry like we spilt milk then the NON-RPers win. And win and win again. And keep ON winning long after the action took place.

[Taeh Niumoenwyn]

It's my firm belief that the main reason they do it is to generate a reaction from us. Obviously they're hoping for us to rage at them and they probably consider they have won if we do. Even if we respond politely and calmly they have still succeeded in disrupting our roleplay.

 

Why do they do this? Probably a whole raft of reasons but high on the list is that they have nothing better to do at that time and trying to get a reaction from us makes them believe their efforts had an effect.

 

So whilst at times it might be very hard, I strongly recommend you totally ignore them. Eventually they will get bored, they don't usually have the greatest attention span, and move on. If they really don't leave you alone after 5-10 minutes, I'm thinking of someone who has started a long crafting run as possibly happened here, then make it appear that you've brought your roleplay session to an end, then move off and if necessary gather elsewhere and continue.

[Pondahl]

Haha, it's far less faith than it is years of headaches. Though I do prefer to think that people are good, until they are bad.

 

Most people will act like jerks because it gives them an ego boost. Being polite in return is usually jarring to them because it's not what they expect, and they don't know how to react. They become self-conscious because you have more self-control than they do, and they leave with wounded pride, less likely to do it again soon or risk humiliation again. 

 

Though these are just observations I've made over the years in other games. It'll naturally vary from game to game, server to server, and person to person.

 

Some people are just damaged goods and delight in that fact, and there's nothing you can do about them.

Years worth of training myself not to see them anymore  Both are viable routes to take~

[Dravus]

I am of the firm belief that every role-player needs to learn how to tune out distractions during role-play since it's a very useful skill to have. MMO's are full of players that are running around doing their own thing. Most won't be bothered by the sight of role-play, others will decide to do their best to try provoke role-players into getting angry at them.

 

Ultimately, though? Laughing it off is the best route to take. I'd suggest that you make use of the ignore function and tune out whoever is trying to ruin role-play and I guarantee that after a while you won't even notice people doing it.

[N'taeyl]

I think there's a little too much analyzing going on here.  While it's not all incorrect, the "hardcore players" or whatever they call themselves don't get RP and think it's silly, they're gonna act immature.  That's all there is to it.  We should expect it and just deal with it as maturely as possible.  And if you have to, let go of your pride and just teleport away.  It doesn't make them more powerful, it's all in their thick skulls and you can peacefully continue on, unless you need to use the area ect such and such.  It's not about who wins or not.

[K'dath]

I don't mean to imply that simply ignoring the problem isn't a perfectly acceptable course of action, but it does nothing to correct the behavior. By not saying anything, you're saying it is acceptable for them to behave this way.

 

There is a difference between being a raging lunatic at anyone who might possibly be doing some slight thing to break your immersion, and politely telling someone who is being an idiot to kindly take it else where.

 

If someone was shoving you repeatedly at class or at work, would you just ignore them? Maybe. But it makes far more sense to tell them in the nicest way possible to bugger off, and if they don't go over their heads and demand action from the higher ups. It improves productivity and decreases hostility in your workplace/place of learning. The same applies here.

[Katanyae]

I don't mean to imply that simply ignoring the problem isn't a perfectly acceptable course of action, but it does nothing to correct the behavior. By not saying anything, you're saying it is acceptable for them to behave this way.

 

There is a difference between being a raging lunatic at anyone who might possibly be doing some slight thing to break your immersion, and politely telling someone who is being an idiot to kindly take it else where.

 

If someone was shoving you repeatedly at class or at work, would you just ignore them? Maybe. But it makes far more sense to tell them in the nicest way possible to bugger off, and if they don't go over their heads and demand action from the higher ups. It improves productivity and decreases hostility in your workplace/place of learning. The same applies here.

 

You will not correct their behavior.

 

You WILL NOT correct their behavior! Just as much as they will not correct yours.

 

The same doesn't apply here. The virtual game world is not real life.

 

If someone at work shoved you, you can go to your boss and they will probably get fired. If someone in the virtual world decides to sit by you and craft while you happen to be RPing...well, you have the choice or ignoring it or not. But there is not a damn thing you can do if that crafter wants to sit there are happily make cotten trousers. Period.

 

Maybe it's time we embrace why the other half of the non-rpers like us. for our "maturity". That doesn't mean that we're mature about how we enjoy the game; it means that we're mature about the way that we handle things when they don't go our way.

[Rosekitten]

Eh, the craftsman was the least er intrusive. Though I think I was still laughing at all of it and how bored they must have been as we were carrying on like nothing

 

Their emote spam did get annoying somewhere along the lines but blacklist fixes that. Never thought to report them, kids will be kids (no matter the age).

[Dravus]

Yeah, the relative anonymity of the internet means that most people can unfortunately get away with acting like a wanker. Even if you report someone for questionable behaviour the response is typically a very predictable statement along the lines of: "We understand that the behaviour of other players can be frustrating, though at present there is little we can do after investigating the matter. We advise you to make use of the blacklist function and hope that your experiences are more positive in the future."

 

It's a shame, but there really is little to be done about it outside of the extremely vulgar cases of blatant harassment. Older MMO's used to crack down on negative behaviour a lot more frequently, though it seems as if modern MMO's take the approach of treading on eggshells.

 

On a side note, if you go to the chat options I'm pretty sure you can filter out the crafting messages of other players. I may be wrong, though.

[FreelanceWizard]

Indeed you can. The chat filter functions are pretty slick and easy to use (though I'd like more windows and per-window text sizing, personally); I bounce all game-related messages besides loot to my "Battle" tab, for instance. There's also a System setting that allows you to eliminate graphical effects generated by other players.

[K'dath]

I think you misunderstand the part where I said "There is a difference between being a raging lunatic at anyone who might possibly be doing some slight thing to break your immersion..."

 

In the case of someone sitting around crafting near you, it's not exactly earthshaking. Pick your battles. But there's nothing mature about allowing yourself to be bullied.

[Gideon Aryeh]

You know... that's actually harrassment... you could make a complaint ticke; politely remind the GM that you are a paying customer andall that still, just because you're rping doesn't mean you're not playing the game.

 

You should really feel sorry for these folk, if they can sit there for hours and try to disrupt u

Your game time then they must have no social lives at all. Probably narrow minded children who learned how to be bullies from their dad (or are just sociopaths).

 

Pat them on the back and tell them it,s ok, jesus loves them even though no one else does... lol that should send them into a nerdrage. Lol

 

Personally I think that's a waste of time.

 

It was a guy that decided to craft. It's not up to the playerbase to decide when and where he can do it.

 

Roleplayers need to start having some thicker skin and not letting everything bother them. Not trying to play devil's advocate or start a fight, and I know this view probably won't be so highly veiwed by Rpers. But for goodness sake if everytime something bad happens we cry like we spilt milk then the NON-RPers win. And win and win again. And keep ON winning long after the action took place.

 

Bingo +1000 internets for this. Many of our peers are far too sensitive.

[Katanyae]

I think you misunderstand the part where I said "There is a difference between being a raging lunatic at anyone who might possibly be doing some slight thing to break your immersion..."

 

In the case of someone sitting around crafting near you, it's not exactly earthshaking. Pick your battles. But there's nothing mature about allowing yourself to be bullied.

 

I don't think that I did misunderstand you at all. I hope you're not taking your statement out of context to change it's meaning to support an argument 

 

I didn't imply that being mature = allowing oneself to be bullied. What I DID say, however, is that they key here lies in oneself. And there is nothing that is more positive or rewarding than to not let someone's behavior bother you.

 

Bullied. Is that what we're calling this nowadays? LOL. And you wonder why non rpers make fun of us?

 

I don't advocate being a victim. I fully support self-empowerment.