You're Not Writing A Novel

[Ildur]

Certain elements of the 'inner monologue' could have a visible or otherwise perceivable component. It depends on how the monologue is phrased and how each player decides to interpret it.

There are other components, however, that cannot and should not be perceived by others. These components only exist for flavor or character stablishment or for humor, as some have pointed out.

 

As a rule of thumb, I do not take inner monologues into account when roleplaying unless it has a direct action attached to it. For example, someone wondering if my character is mad and then frowning. My character can then react to the frowning and she can also interpret, based on the situation, why the frowning happened. If it matches or not what the monologue stablished is a completely different matter.

[Katanyae]

It's a pretty awkward situation, I find. Sadly, many role-players are likely to get up in arms and cry out about how 'they can do what they want' instead of striving to improve and be more in line with their more experienced brethren. I find myself equally irritated when people break out into a discussion in brackets about what they had to eat for dinner during what is meant to be a bit of serious role-play. As far as I'm concerned some role-play practices are more damaging and awkward than others.

 

So what does it take to get invited to your RP Elite country club? Yanno, cause I want to make sure I'm 'in line' with all the 'right people' :roll::lol: Or maybe you just borrowed 'Ye Olde Roleplayers Rulebook' from the OP. 

 

Different styles should be encouraged. This isn't a fucking raiding strat, formulated and homogenized. Just because someone doesn't live up to your imaginary code doesn't mean they're a bad RPer. It makes them different. And maybe they DO need to work on their trade...but don't we all? And isn't one of the best way to improve something doing it repeatedly with a good cross section of test subjects? 

 

The best way to create a griefer is to treat our own like shit.

[cuideag]

 

To be honest, I use internal thoughts/feelings/emotes as a means to get people to laugh OOCly, not as a means for them to work off of-but to lighten the mood of things. Since I am usually involved with a lot of "Dark" or "Grim" RP in the past, it's part of who I am as a writer and RP'er to add in things that would offset the perpetual negativity that can swirl into an endless black pool and lead to people being rather unhappy (Which has occured more then once). 

^ Exactly.

[Lament]

It's just conveying info about the character. I include dialogue, actions and inner monologue when I want the players to know what my character is thinking. It's never added with the purpose of getting people to react to it. Heck, it's a way to make posts more interesting.

 

I get a kick out of reading what's going on in other characters' minds. I get a kick out of writing the ridiculous stuff that goes through my characters' minds. I don't expect you to do the same, I don't expect you to react to it, I don't expect you to like it, even. I expect you to respect that. There is no right or wrong - RPing is not science. I respect other people's preferences; if they can't respect mine, then we don't RP.

[K'dath]

And isn't one of the best way to improve something doing it repeatedly with a good cross section of test subjects?

 

I believe that's the infamously quoted definition of insanity.

 

Doing something over and over doesn't automatically make you better at something. Doing something, realizing what is not working, and changing it to get a different result is how you get better.

 

Everyone should always strive to be better, and everyone can always be better, it's true. No one is on the top because there's no ceiling with art. It's not a mountain with a summit that we race to plant our flag in. It's more like a wall stretching up to the heavens. Over time many have scaled the wall, and they've left footholds behind for others just beginning their journey to hoist themselves up on. And the people familiar with these holds tell tales about them to the up an comers. They point to the signs to lessen the burdens of their next journey, so that they may climb even higher.

 

There's not a 'right' way with art, because it is subjective. But there is a way it has been done before. It's a path that is worn and marked and others may find their way more easily upon it. It is simpler to follow a trail than blaze one. And it's certainly simpler to blaze a trail when you are at the very least armed with the knowledge of former pathfinders.

 

Being resentful of experience just leads to perpetuating a culture of willful ignorance where no one gets any better because 'I am doing it my way and you can't tell me different'. Instead of everyone improving, it just lowers the bar to accommodate the unwilling. At that point we're sitting at the bottom of the metaphorical rock wall rolling around in our own excrement.

[Faye]

As a lot of people have mentioned and made examples of, "inner monologue" does have several uses in RP. I usually like to attach some insight into my character's thought/feelings along with actions to work in conjunction with them. I can say my character frowns, and you'll easily understand that she is displeased without me saying "She is unhappy." However, I do often like to give some perspective to why my character is frowning--something the other RPer's character may be able to pick up on, or simply just some flavor for my RP partner.

 

Just as somewhat of an example, here's a snippet from an RP I did last night, when a Hyur fellow commented on the skimpy outfit of my shy Miqo'te:

 

Unmei slowed down in her pace, neither wishing to rush the man nor lose the protection from the rain his shield provided. "There isn't much, is there? Most Miqo'te girls around here wear similar clothes, but I don't really like them." She exhaled a heavy sigh. "But, beggars can't be choosers." Her cheeks flushed, the Seeker ashamed by how literally the expression applied to the situation. "My clothes were in rags, so some nice guy offered to buy me new ones. I don't know why he insisted on these, but..." She did know why. She just decided it would be better not to mention. "It was an improvement."

 

 

First, you know why my character is slowing down! Second, she blushes, obviously she's embarrassed by something. You, the reader, will know it's from shame of her being poor. Otherwise, it could be interpreted--and still might be by the unknowing Hyur man--that she was simply embarrassed to have a man comment on her scanty clothes. Third, you know that she's "lying" when she says she doesn't know! It's a bit of humor, but also a useful hint--it's not necessarily meant to be a serious or convincing lie. The Hyur she's speaking to, if he's not perceptive, could assume she's being honest and she's really just that naive, or if he's more observant than that, he could likely tell from her demeanor, however subtle, that she's fully aware some creep just wanted to see her in a tube top and miniskirt.

 

It's a pretty awkward situation, I find. Sadly, many role-players are likely to get up in arms and cry out about how 'they can do what they want' instead of striving to improve and be more in line with their more experienced brethren. I find myself equally irritated when people break out into a discussion in brackets about what they had to eat for dinner during what is meant to be a bit of serious role-play. As far as I'm concerned some role-play practices are more damaging and awkward than others.

 

Also, uhh. They really can do what they want. Any RPer has the total right to say that in context to their RP style and preferences. Hell, RPers even have the right to godmod and powerplay and commit other "taboos" as much as they please. For the more destructive things, you can pull them aside and say, "Hey, that's not very good thing to do. People don't like when other role-players do that because blah blah blah..." You do not have the right to say, "Stop doing that. You're wrong." There is no "right" and "wrong" in role-play. There is "better" and "worse," but even those are subjective. You DO have the right to say, "I don't like that. I'm not going to role-play with you."

[Katanyae]

And isn't one of the best way to improve something doing it repeatedly with a good cross section of test subjects?

 

I believe that's the infamously quoted definition of insanity.

 

Doing something over and over doesn't automatically make you better at something. Doing something, realizing what is not working, and changing it to get a different result is how you get better.

 

Everyone should always strive to be better, and everyone can always be better, it's true. No one is on the top because there's no ceiling with art. It's not a mountain with a summit that we race to plant our flag in. It's more like a wall stretching up to the heavens. Over time many have scaled the wall, and they've left footholds behind for others just beginning their journey to hoist themselves up on. And the people familiar with these holds tell tales about them to the up an comers. They point to the signs to lessen the burdens of their next journey, so that they may climb even higher.

 

There's not a 'right' way with art, because it is subjective. But there is a way it has been done before. It's a path that is worn and marked and others may find their way more easily upon it. It is simpler to follow a trail than blaze one. And it's certainly simpler to blaze a trail when you are at the very least armed with the knowledge of former pathfinders.

 

Being resentful of experience just leads to perpetuating a culture of willful ignorance where no one gets any better because 'I am doing it my way and you can't tell me different'. Instead of everyone improving, it just lowers the bar to accommodate the unwilling. At that point we're sitting at the bottom of the metaphorical rock wall rolling around in our own excrement.

 

I guess what I should have said then was "Pratice makes perfect", had the same meaning and avoided your post. Granted I would have been cliche, but I've been known to do that from time to time.

 

Within your post I found ideas that I 100% believe in....but the context is where I will disagree. For example, the last paragraph. Yup, 100%. However when that 'experience' comes in the form of cliqueish holier than thou 'you-aren't-worthy-to-rp-licking-my-boots asshatery...THEN it's negative...and THAT is what my post was actually about.

[Nnejo]

A soft sigh escaped her lips as she looked to the woman with those alabaster eyes, curiosity a mask she wore as she knew full well who the lovely maiden might be. "Lady Fae?" A hand was offered towards the woman, fingers being extended ever so slightly as her head was tipped in greeting. 

 

That would be my example of how I chose to roleplay, often times i add in things the reader may not necessarily need to know. But it a writing style I have developed and very much like. I find that there are others who enjoy it as well. To each his/her own I suppose.

 

Making such a bold statement as "You're not writing a novel" is rather presumptuous I would think. When I write I am doing so in such a way, sometimes subconsciously, that I can take the roleplay and transcribe it for my blog. My readers enjoy the way I write. Does it make me a bad roleplayer for doing so? Well that is a question to ask those who chose to rp with me. I've gotten nothing but compliments so far so I see no reason to stop or adjust my writing style in anyway.

 

Again. To each his/her own.

[Katanyae]

And isn't one of the best way to improve something doing it repeatedly with a good cross section of test subjects?

 

I believe that's the infamously quoted definition of insanity.

 

 

 

"Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.". By the way.

 

Not what I said, not what I meant, and not in context with what I was saying. 

 

Just to be clear.

[Tobias Nightbringer]

Iiiiiiii'm preeeeeeeeettttttyyyyy suuuuure my character is a wizard. That is telepathic. And can reaaaaaaad your miiiiiiiiiind! Like Psycho Mantis kinda telepathic!

 

 

I don't even need to bother putting my two cents here because I am sure SOMEONE has already posted a very similar opinion that I would have about this. So yeah....

 

WIZARD!

 

P.S. - a gentle nudge OOC to help guide RPers = win for all. Except for the Trolls/Griefers. Which is another win. MULTIPLE WINS! WINCEST--wait wut?

[Dravus]

This thread isn't the first time I've seen role-players trying to claim that there's no 'right' or 'wrong' way of engaging in role-play. Do people really believe that, or is it just one of the generic 'feel good' stock phrases often dropped into a conversation whenever there's an expectation for people to be of a reasonable standard?

 

Even the most simple of tasks can be messed up pretty badly and done incorrectly, especially if people make a conscious decision to do just that. That doesn't mean people should go around hounding them for it, though there's nothing wrong with sending constructive criticism their way. It doesn't make people 'mean' or 'elitist'. In many cases they simply want to help enrich the experience of misguided or new role-players.

[Faye]

This thread isn't the first time I've seen role-players trying to claim that there's no 'right' or 'wrong' way of engaging in role-play. Do people really believe that, or is it just one of the generic 'feel good' stock phrases often dropped into a conversation whenever there's an expectation for people to be of a reasonable standard?

 

Even the most simple of tasks can be messed up pretty badly and done incorrectly, especially if people make a conscious decision to do just that. That doesn't mean people should go around hounding them for it, though there's nothing wrong with sending constructive criticism their way. It doesn't make people 'mean' or 'elitist'. In many cases they simply want to help enrich the experience of misguided or new role-players.

 

Yes, I really believe that. The only thing you can really do "wrong" in role-play is spell incorrectly or make grammatical errors--but even then it could be argued that this isn't formal writing, so what's the big deal? There is no "wrong." There are things that in general are considered "bad" by the RP community, there are things that can be illogical, there are things that could be done better, there are things that could be more fair to your RP partner, and there are ways to write to make your posts clear and understandable or simply make your writing more enjoyable for others.

 

However, there is no real "wrong." This is for fun. It's a pastime. It's done to have fun, not to be "right." There are no rules (a specific group can make rules for their members, but in general, anything goes). There are people who godmod and RP with other people who godmod and all parties involved are fine and happy with it! Good for them! If they try to godmod with me, I'll tell them to stop or I won't RP with them, but they can do as they please!

 

There is "bad" RP, granted that's still subjective to a degree. But there is no "wrong" RP. You can try to help "bad" RPers, but if they don't want to improve, more power to 'em, I guess. They're only alienating themselves, but if they're still having fun, who cares?

 

Some of us want to have logical RP's with deep, developed characters and coherent storylines. Some of us want to write well and further improve our writing skills through practicing. However, we must understand that in the end, we all do this for fun, and some people take it less seriously than others, RPing for the sake of fun and fun alone. They are not required to take it seriously. If you don't want to RP with people who take things less seriously, that's totally fine. However, shaming these people and telling them they're "wrong" for doing things differently is not helpful to anyone.

[Naunet]

This thread isn't the first time I've seen role-players trying to claim that there's no 'right' or 'wrong' way of engaging in role-play. Do people really believe that, or is it just one of the generic 'feel good' stock phrases often dropped into a conversation whenever there's an expectation for people to be of a reasonable standard?

 

Nope. I expect everyone to RP in dolphin trinary and will shun those who fail to live up to my reasonable but exacting standards.

[Faye]

This thread isn't the first time I've seen role-players trying to claim that there's no 'right' or 'wrong' way of engaging in role-play. Do people really believe that, or is it just one of the generic 'feel good' stock phrases often dropped into a conversation whenever there's an expectation for people to be of a reasonable standard?

 

Nope. I expect everyone to RP in dolphin trinary and will shun those who fail to live up to my reasonable but exacting standards.

 

B-but senpai...

[ArmachiA]

Is she being sincere? Sarcastic? Is she mad? Does she even care? Nobody knoowwss.

 

That assessment made me think of this. In a good way, I assure you. Made me giggle.

 

HAHAHAHA. THat is Loki to a tee. That exact situation has happened before.

[Dravus]

It doesn't really matter whether it's a hobby or a professional job - everything in existence can be handled incorrectly whether people want to admit it or not. I suppose it's because I'm a realist but I've never really believed in the mantra of there being no right or wrong method when tackling a task. Incidentally, when multiple people are involved in a particular activity then there's the additional element of accountability to consider.

If someone isn't a team player and has no intention of improving themselves then they deserve to be called out in a constructive manner. I don't really believe in brushing issues under the rug, though I do try to eliminate the bad apples from my radar entirely and seek to offer aid to those who show promise and a willingness to learn.

 

Role-play is typically done for the sake of enjoyment. Some people take it more seriously than others and are invested to different degrees. If 'no one cared' about these things then there wouldn't be a debate in the first place. There needs to be an element of balance involved in role-play. Too much elitism is bad, but too much tolerance is just as dangerous and damaging. Creativity doesn't thrive when it's stifled at every turn, though it doesn't thrive if anything and everything is branded a 'good try' even when it's outright awful, inappropriate or illegal.

[ArmachiA]

I beleive that there really is no right or wrong way when it comes to playing your character. That is truth, you can play it however you want to play it. When it comes to taple top games, there is absolutely a wrong way to Roleplay if your not following the rules (Refusing to roll the dice, putting stat points on your character sheet when you have no points to give) the rest is etiquette. God Modding, Metagaming, and not following Canon? Though those are the biggest offenders, they are technically not again any RULE - just against RP Etiquette.

 

Those are two VERY different things.

 

As for the smaller stuff (You type too much/you type too little/your name isn't lore/Your name is stupid/You don't do serious RP/You do too much serious RP/etc/etc) This is all SUBJECTIVE and should be treated as such. In that respect, yes there are no right or wrong ways to roleplay.

[DAISHI]

The context for this is several people I've been around that RP their internal thoughts and I'm not sure if they understand that I can't react to those. This just happened in the last hour in fact. The post is just a sort of public statement for RPers. If you're RPing internal thoughts, others around you won't necessarily react to you or your mood in the way you want them to unless you actually act it out rather than emote everything as an internalization. Which has previously led to some asking why others seem to be ignoring what they're RPing.

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When you emote that you're feeling lost, I can't acknowledge it because it's internal to you.

 

Isn't this just common sense?

 

Well... there's a variety of points of view on this, I've found.

 

Personally, I don't emote anything about my character's internal state unless it would be obvious to an onlooker from her actual actions ("L'yhta's tail rises, peeking out from behind her shoulder in interest"); I prefer to show, not tell, as much as possible. Since my character's not a mind-reader, like DAISHI, I also don't respond to people's emotes of internal state unless, again, it'd be obvious to my not especially socially perceptive character.

 

Throwing out thoughts and beliefs that characters aren't privy to doesn't really help RP very much, IMO, because they can't be responded to ICly without metagaming. It can come off as needless emote showboating or even trollish if your inner monologue is disparaging of another character, as they can't respond to it ICly and just have to "take it." If you need to let a person in on what's going on with your character to help with RP, an OOC tell is probably the better way to do it as there's no question of etiquette at that point.

Glad you mentioned metagaming, that's one of the big principles of the hting.

 

Instead of getting upset, have you tried sending them a tell?  Amazing how much OOC communication helps.  They could still be learning how to RP or may not know the right way.

 

I admit I fall into doing it sometimes, mainly as I am used to RP on forums for many many years.  But I guess I've also taught myself how to "look past" and realize when a person just wants to RP but might not know how to "fit in".

 

I'm not upset at anyone, and I don't think my tone comes across as upset. I'm just saying it's at least metagaming. In my opinion it's bad writing, too. Ergo I put this helpful notice up.

[Faye]

It doesn't really matter whether it's a hobby or a professional job - everything in existence can be handled incorrectly whether people want to admit it or not. I suppose it's because I'm a realist but I've never really believed in the mantra of there being no right or wrong method when tackling a task. Incidentally, when multiple people are involved in a particular activity then there's the additional element of accountability to consider.

If someone isn't a team player and has no intention of improving themselves then they deserve to be called out in a constructive manner. I don't really believe in brushing issues under the rug, though I do try to eliminate the bad apples from my radar entirely and seek to offer aid to those who show promise and a willingness to learn.

 

Role-play is typically done for the sake of enjoyment. Some people take it more seriously than others and are invested to different degrees. If 'no one cared' about these things then there wouldn't be a debate in the first place. There needs to be an element of balance involved in role-play. Too much elitism is bad, but too much tolerance is just as dangerous and damaging. Creativity doesn't thrive when it's stifled at every turn, though it doesn't thrive if anything and everything is branded a 'good try' even when it's outright awful, inappropriate or illegal.

 

...is there a wrong way to tackle a task? Barring methods that don't actually complete the task or that break the law (and in this case, the game's ToS)? Any ways that don't break the rules are not inherently "wrong." They may be bad, ineffective, wasteful, etc. but they are not incorrect. 

 

I do believe that when you see an RPer who seems to be lacking in skill, experience, or awareness, you should try to reach out and offer them advice. But if they disregard your advice and continue doing things their way, they're not in the wrong for it.

 

If someone wants to godmod and powerplay and metagame and what have you, or just tipe lyke dis, people likely won't want to RP with them. That's totally understandable. But if they realize they're not being courteous to others and are fine with that idea, there's really nothing you can do about, and they're still not necessarily "wrong." As crazy as it sounds--and I have seen it many times before--they will still find people with the same relative views and skill level, and they will have oodles of fun RPing with them. You can sit back and wonder, "How on earth is this fun for anyone?", but regardless of your wondering, to them, it can be fun.

 

RP takes two (at least) and someone can't "RP at you" without your consent. That's why I've never really understood complaining about someone doing something discourteous or RPing in a way that you don't approve of. Move on. Tell them you won't RP with them. Block them. Whatever. If they won't compromise or take your advice, then be done with it. No one can force their RP onto you, just as you shouldn't force your ideals of what constitutes "good RP" onto them.

 

 

 

 

The context for this is several people I've been around that RP their internal thoughts and I'm not sure if they understand that I can't react to those. This just happened in the last hour in fact. The post is just a sort of public statement for RPers. If you're RPing internal thoughts, others around you won't necessarily react to you or your mood in the way you want them to unless you actually act it out rather than emote everything as an internalization. Which has previously led to some asking why others seem to be ignoring what they're RPing.

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Isn't this just common sense?

 

Well... there's a variety of points of view on this, I've found. 

 

Personally, I don't emote anything about my character's internal state unless it would be obvious to an onlooker from her actual actions ("L'yhta's tail rises, peeking out from behind her shoulder in interest"); I prefer to show, not tell, as much as possible. Since my character's not a mind-reader, like DAISHI, I also don't respond to people's emotes of internal state unless, again, it'd be obvious to my not especially socially perceptive character.

 

Throwing out thoughts and beliefs that characters aren't privy to doesn't really help RP very much, IMO, because they can't be responded to ICly without metagaming. It can come off as needless emote showboating or even trollish if your inner monologue is disparaging of another character, as they can't respond to it ICly and just have to "take it." If you need to let a person in on what's going on with your character to help with RP, an OOC tell is probably the better way to do it as there's no question of etiquette at that point.

Glad you mentioned metagaming, that's one of the big principles of the hting.

 

Instead of getting upset, have you tried sending them a tell?  Amazing how much OOC communication helps.  They could still be learning how to RP or may not know the right way.

 

I admit I fall into doing it sometimes, mainly as I am used to RP on forums for many many years.  But I guess I've also taught myself how to "look past" and realize when a person just wants to RP but might not know how to "fit in".

 

I'm not upset at anyone, and I don't think my tone comes across as upset. I'm just saying it's at least metagaming. In my opinion it's bad writing, too. Ergo I put this helpful notice up.

 

Putting details about your character's inner thoughts and feelings is in absolutely, no way metagaming. Is it metagaming to post a bio for your character? Because you're sharing information about your character not only outside of your character's direct speech and actions, but even outside of your RP? That's just silly. Seeing someone share their characters unexpressed thoughts and having your character automatically know all of their character's thoughts/reasons with no logical, justifiable reason is metagaming. There's a big difference.

[Gideon Aryeh]

Forgive me but this thread is ridiculous. And this is coming from a long time rper from the grande ole days of EQ

 

One who has been guilty of being a lore Nazi, against godmodding, against race modifying when its against lore (who cares about names, not me really) and crossing IC and OOC (I am not my character you dolt! lol). I'm sorry but complaining about a person who is basically narrating (which I find again a great way to add humor oocly and a way to have a person who may not understand a character's mindset do so, yeah take that IC/OOC line crossers!) is absolutely ridiculous, and to take it even to the level of rolling around in one's own excrement? Are you serious? Or experience? Well if that's the case I played an Erudite Paladin in EQ and rped before people even knew what the hell rp was *puts on Oz voice* "So Lord OZ says do as he says! -sarcasm-. (I'm serious too, I played the part of Valiant Erudite Paladin who saved damsels in distress around Qeynos. meaning I basically fought off trains that other players dragged in with them before they got to the guards. I couldn't play the game without literally roleplaying with myself as the valiant hero. True story).

 

I mean come on people, reaaaally? Reaaaaaaally? Do we think that we are going to attract a larger audience by being annoyed by something like this? I mean I get wanting to be better but come on now....

 

And I really hope those who are putting up so much fuss about narrating are are the bee's knees when it comes to being a rper. I really really hope so.

 

I find some of the replies in this thread to be *puts on Oz voice again*:

 

Absolutely ridiculous

 

And its bad when the guy who is sometimes pegged as stuck up is saying "let us remove the broomstick from our rear please"

 

Rpers that are that sensitive need to go the way of the dinosaurs honestly, and this is coming from a dinosaur. I mean give me a damn break people its really not that serious, and I am a hell of a serious rper when I want to be. I should know. Sometimes I think our community complains more than even roleplaying itself.

 

Besides am I the only one who is old enough to remember this show?

 

 

My head hurts now

[Lament]

Faye already addressed pretty much everything else beautifully, but I will say this:

 

Being tolerant of different approaches to RP does not imply being tolerant of being an awful person. If you're being inconsiderate, inappropriate, doing anything illegal, or generally being disruptive of everyone else's fun, you need to go.

 

It does imply that, as long as you aren't doing anything illegal or harmful and everyone involved is in agreement/consents, you can, yes, do whatever you want. Even if it's something that I personally wouldn't participate in.

 

(I should note that I don't consider being disruptive in general a 'wrong' approach to RP - roleplay to me is just playing a role, and there are tons of ways to do that, including sketchy ones. But I'm a person first and a roleplayer second; RP will never excuse being a horrible person.)

[Daca'li Molkoh]

Pretty much everyone has said my thoughts on the matter. Sure, you may not be able to respond to certain things or notice every detail realistically, but in my opinion I enjoy it. I read because I enjoy writing--I like seeing what an author can do and how they can portray a scene. For instance, for me, there are two views here--an OOC one and an IC one. OOC, I enjoy seeing what another writer can do. I like to see the skill and time they dedicate while making a character. When I see a long post that has some extra details to it, like how a character may view my character form a past experience through the hint of an emotion that my IC self might not see but the OOC can, I can find entertainment in that. The writing to me as the player catches me and draws me in and encourages me to put the same effort in. My IC self may be oblivious to the fact that someone is lost or confused or feeling uncomfortable if they aren't showing it on their expression, but I may be entertained to know that on an OOC level. ICly, I may be making someone feel like a King without realising it, when I'm actually trying to insult them IC or something. I can find humour in that and have it continued by my character still being oblivious to the fact that my intended target is indeed unphased. 

 

 

 

 

I hope that made sense.

[ryanxwonbin]

As someone who does forum RPs and particularly gets irked when I see 20 long paragraphs of writing that are that long just for the sake of being long, I cannot understand the complaint here. From what I understand, your problem is that people are RPing their internal feelings and you can't reply to them. So what? I as a person want to know what other characters are thinking and feeling even if my character doesn't. And most veterans should be good enough not to metagame such knowledge in RPs.

[Katanyae]

It doesn't really matter whether it's a hobby or a professional job - everything in existence can be handled incorrectly whether people want to admit it or not. I suppose it's because I'm a realist but I've never really believed in the mantra of there being no right or wrong method when tackling a task. Incidentally, when multiple people are involved in a particular activity then there's the additional element of accountability to consider.

If someone isn't a team player and has no intention of improving themselves then they deserve to be called out in a constructive manner. I don't really believe in brushing issues under the rug, though I do try to eliminate the bad apples from my radar entirely and seek to offer aid to those who show promise and a willingness to learn.

 

Role-play is typically done for the sake of enjoyment. Some people take it more seriously than others and are invested to different degrees. If 'no one cared' about these things then there wouldn't be a debate in the first place. There needs to be an element of balance involved in role-play. Too much elitism is bad, but too much tolerance is just as dangerous and damaging. Creativity doesn't thrive when it's stifled at every turn, though it doesn't thrive if anything and everything is branded a 'good try' even when it's outright awful, inappropriate or illegal.

 

I...I cannot honestly believe that someone actually said that 'too much' elitism is bad, but too much tolerance is just as bad.

 

Wow. Just...wow. I'm glad you're on Balmung. 

 

I mean, I regret not being on the same server as Roleplay Royalty...but I'll somehow survive.

[Faye]

It doesn't really matter whether it's a hobby or a professional job - everything in existence can be handled incorrectly whether people want to admit it or not. I suppose it's because I'm a realist but I've never really believed in the mantra of there being no right or wrong method when tackling a task. Incidentally, when multiple people are involved in a particular activity then there's the additional element of accountability to consider.

If someone isn't a team player and has no intention of improving themselves then they deserve to be called out in a constructive manner. I don't really believe in brushing issues under the rug, though I do try to eliminate the bad apples from my radar entirely and seek to offer aid to those who show promise and a willingness to learn.

 

Role-play is typically done for the sake of enjoyment. Some people take it more seriously than others and are invested to different degrees. If 'no one cared' about these things then there wouldn't be a debate in the first place. There needs to be an element of balance involved in role-play. Too much elitism is bad, but too much tolerance is just as dangerous and damaging. Creativity doesn't thrive when it's stifled at every turn, though it doesn't thrive if anything and everything is branded a 'good try' even when it's outright awful, inappropriate or illegal.

 

"Too much tolerance is bad"???? Really?

 

Wow. I'm glad you're on Balmung. 

 

I mean, I regret not being on the same server as Roleplay Royalty...but I'll somehow survive.

 

While I found that statement entirely baffling myself... let's not judge an entire server based on one person. Gilgamesh has some bad eggs, too--and certainly no less quantity or quality than Balmung.