What do you want to see added to the game in the future?

[Ildur]

Ah, I see! So they do think that. How odd to worry about players being idiots, though, considering in this game there's a non insignificant ammount of innuendo between NPCs lying around for anyone to see in the open world.

[Swift Nightclaw]

There may be other considerations to take into account, such as expectations, regulations, cultural stances, etc, etc in Japan.

 

Keep in mind that they ARE developing with their Japanese base primarily in mind with the addition that it's going out worldwide.  Gaming culture is extremely different in Japan and you've got genres of visual novels and others that can get downright hentai.  From a Japanese developers' perspective, there may be some desire to avoid any such associations from visual depiction.

 

Japan's a much more open society in terms of sexual censorship and they get away with far more, but they also have particular nuances about what is and isn't okay.  Visual depiction may be more questionable than verbal innuendo.  I'm not certain, but it's something that sprang to mind as a possibility.

 

More likely, I'd imagine, is the fact that sexual innuendo in text is probably humorous in Japan while visual depiction of such acts is considered more graphic and not just for laughs.

 

Either way, I'm pretty confident the cultural difference accounts for a lot of their decisions.

[K'dath]

If Square was really worried about players abusing various in game effects to emulate innuendo, they would have been more careful with the auto-translate function...

 

 

I admit, that one made me smirk, but there were a thousand more unfunny ones from /shout in Costa del Sol all night not so subtly implying they were doing terrible things to themselves in public. It made me wonder what possible, proper situation would (long time) be used for in-game.

[Naunet]

A /sleep or /liedown emote.

They’re working on figuring this out, but Yoshida has urged caution to the artists as it can be used to create inappropriate imagery they do not want in the game.  And if that is a concern for them, I willappreciate a lack of /sleep and being restrained to sleeping in the inns.  It really makes me happy to see thedevelopers thinking of the long term integrity of the game.  RPers may use these things tastefully, but the devs will have to look at it more collectively. 

 

An alternative I'd be interested in seeing is having tents as an item that allows you to gain rested xp when logging off away from the inn.

 

That's not actually an alternative, as it doesn't provide for RP in any way, which is kind of the whole idea behind wanting a /sleep or /liedown emote. No laying in bed sick or injured, no laying on the ground relaxing and chatting, no anything! Nope, because ~*oh no, some people might make offensive images!*~ As though you can't do that right now as things are.

 

What a load of crap from Squee. ;

[Raccoon]

Oh, and deeper water along the beaches. Having a beach party and being ankle deep in the water is a bit annoying. Even, gasp, being able to swim would be great.

[TheLastCandle]

A /sleep or /liedown emote.

They’re working on figuring this out, but Yoshida has urged caution to the artists as it can be used to create inappropriate imagery they do not want in the game.  And if that is a concern for them, I willappreciate a lack of /sleep and being restrained to sleeping in the inns.  It really makes me happy to see thedevelopers thinking of the long term integrity of the game.  RPers may use these things tastefully, but the devs will have to look at it more collectively. 

 

An alternative I'd be interested in seeing is having tents as an item that allows you to gain rested xp when logging off away from the inn.

 

That's not actually an alternative, as it doesn't provide for RP in any way, which is kind of the whole idea behind wanting a /sleep or /liedown emote. No laying in bed sick or injured, no laying on the ground relaxing and chatting, no anything! Nope, because ~*oh no, some people might make offensive images!*~ As though you can't do that right now as things are.

 

What a load of crap from Squee. ;

(NSFW) http://i.imgur.com/AB1W8HP.jpg

[Random Encounter]

Curse you Teveriel, you almost made me spit out my morning coffee. 

[Naunet]

(NSFW) http://i.imgur.com/AB1W8HP.jpg

 

*right click saves*

 

I mean, uh.

 

HOW DARE YOU TAKE SUCH OFFENSIVE PICTURES! I AM OFFENDED! I SHALL PETITION SQUEE TO REMOVE THE SCREENSHOT BUTTON TO SAVE MEYOU FROM TEMPTATION!

[Swift Nightclaw]

You can scream about it if you like, I'm just saying it's a Japanese game and they're going to do things that fits their culture.  Japan is very much a culture where the collective good is more important than the individual.  If they perceive a greater chance for distasteful imagery than a minority of RP benefit, they'll choose to avoid what they feel is inappropriate for their game rather than give the benefit of the doubt.

 

If that's a massive problem, well, welcome to the shoe on the other foot.  Heck, I've seen people throwing absolute bitch fits over maintenance being in "prime time hours."  But it's not...in Japan.

 

That said, please note I said the animators are working on figuring out what they want to do there and Yoshida has only advised caution. He didn't say a /sleep emote would never be put in game, just that they want to avoid inappropriate imagery.

 

And again, innuendo in text may be perceived differently than imagery among the developers.  And also again, there may even be different restrictions in Japan between the two.  They can get away with damn near anything in video games, but their ratings/censorship does have peculiar nuances.

 

I'm trying to find the transcript with EXACTLY what he said.

 

Here it is, it's just a minor statement:

 

y; Right now we don’t have a sleep motion, so the other day the motion team asked me if you wanted to do this soon?

y; It makes it possible to come up with some dangerous images, so I’m telling them it has to be safe and not cross that line.

y; Listen up everyone, don’t do anything bad.

 

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/63655-Translation-Japanese-to-English?p=1322772&viewfull=1#post1322772

 

So I'm sure they'll offer something, but they're being mindful about it, that's all.

[Dravus]

I'm glad that it's being taken into consideration. ERP is a major issue in MMO's, since whilst some of it is tasteful a lot of it is outright sickening and driven by extreme and harmful fetishes that have no business being brought into an online game that hasn't been created specifically for that purpose.

 

ERP should be a very private thing that is limited to character driven romance rather than the appeasement of extreme fetishes. Furthermore it should never be done in public places. Then again, people will argue that they take care to avoid doing so and yet their character's wiki profile basically ends up screaming 'I ERP', usually accompanied by a not so subtle list of who their character has banged recently.

 

Sex isn't a scary thing. People shouldn't act like it doesn't happen, though at the same time stuff that is genuinely seen as obscene - such as two 'female' characters with a twelve inch log between their legs knocking each other up - shouldn't be brought into public scenarios.

[Naunet]

We don't need Squeenix protecting us from the scary sex monster. It's the same attitude and excuse that Yoshi gave regarding the restriction of whispers while in an instance - "Oh, we don't want people to harrass each other!" Well, tough cookies. It happens. All they're doing is stifling their players because they're afraid of a few tasteless folk.

 

They're treating us like a bunch of southern belles whose delicate sensitivities must always be watched out for. Ugh.

[Dravus]

We don't need Squeenix protecting us from the scary sex monster. It's the same attitude and excuse that Yoshi gave regarding the restriction of whispers while in an instance - "Oh, we don't want people to harrass each other!" Well, tough cookies. It happens. All they're doing is stifling their players because they're afraid of a few tasteless folk.

 

They're treating us like a bunch of southern belles whose delicate sensitivities must always be watched out for. Ugh.

 

I think it's fair for them to claim they don't want that sort of thing present in their game. If I go to a restaurant for a meal I don't want to see people groping each other under the table next to me. There's a particular time and a place for that. I'm not going to lose sleep over it, though. In fact, I find it pretty hilarious to stumble across tasteless ERP. Though even though I'm desensitised to such things I'd rather not expect everybody else to be as well.

[Rinh Hallani]

Ehh I don't think making a /sleep emote is going to cause ERP to explode in the game. Personally, I've been involved in some RP with someone who was injured and having the injured person lie down would've been nice... That's why I'd appreciate the feature.

[Naunet]

I think it's fair for them to claim they don't want that sort of thing present in their game. If I go to a restaurant for a meal I don't want to see people groping each other under the table next to me. There's a particular time and a place for that. I'm not going to lose sleep over it, though. In fact, I find it pretty hilarious to stumble across tasteless ERP. Though even though I'm desensitised to such things I'd rather not expect everybody else to be as well.

 

There is nothing, absolutely nothing they can do to prevent "bad" images from being made in their game. See Teveriel's screenshot on the previous page for an example. This attitude Yoshi seems to have on controlling players' actions is just absurd.

 

They may as well disable the screenshot function if they don't want people making tasteless images of FFXIV. Also, remove the emote function entirely. In fact, let's just go ahead and put a two foot radius bubble around everyone's characters so they can't come anywhere close to one another and potentially touch in lewd ways. Perfect!

[Swift Nightclaw]

I really don't think people are understanding that they might have to accept another country's cultural views.

 

Bottom line, it's their game, their decision.

 

I still expect /sleep will be put in eventually, but if they don't it doesn't bother me too much.  Nice, sure, but not a necessity.

 

We've been RPing in MMOs without emotes, even without graphics, for years.

 

That said, this IS a "what do you want to see" thread, so the wishlists can be anything each of us want/hope to see eventually. I only meant to reference Yoshida's comment, not to derail the intention of the thread.

[Nako Vesh]

I really don't think people are understanding that they might have to accept another country's cultural views.

 

This is the bottom line for many complaints about this game that people just don't get. There are cultural differences we have to learn to live with.

[Naunet]

I really don't think people are understanding that they might have to accept another country's cultural views.

 

This is the bottom line for many complaints about this game that people just don't get. There are cultural differences we have to learn to live with.

 

This is a global game, so no, we don't.

[Dravus]

I really don't think people are understanding that they might have to accept another country's cultural views.

 

This is the bottom line for many complaints about this game that people just don't get. There are cultural differences we have to learn to live with.

 

That's how I see it as well. There's some stuff that I'd love to see changed, though I'd rather not see the game edited significantly just to appeal to western audiences. More players just need to learn to accept 'no' as a valid answer, or that 'maybe' doesn't necessarily mean 'yes'.

[J'rakh Tia]

A /sleep or /liedown emote.

They’re working on figuring this out, but Yoshida has urged caution to the artists as it can be used to create inappropriate imagery they do not want in the game.  And if that is a concern for them, I willappreciate a lack of /sleep and being restrained to sleeping in the inns.  It really makes me happy to see thedevelopers thinking of the long term integrity of the game.  RPers may use these things tastefully, but the devs will have to look at it more collectively. 

 

An alternative I'd be interested in seeing is having tents as an item that allows you to gain rested xp when logging off away from the inn.

 

That's not actually an alternative, as it doesn't provide for RP in any way, which is kind of the whole idea behind wanting a /sleep or /liedown emote. No laying in bed sick or injured, no laying on the ground relaxing and chatting, no anything! Nope, because ~*oh no, some people might make offensive images!*~ As though you can't do that right now as things are.

 

What a load of crap from Squee. ;

(NSFW) http://i.imgur.com/AB1W8HP.jpg

Cute girls.

[Ildur]

I can see it now. Two people doing dirty things in a restaurant, the police arriving (called by the staff or maybe by other customers) grabbing them and taking them away.

Then, the next morning, the governor declares:

 

"Because there's people doing inappropiate things in restaurants, we have decided that the best solution is to forbid citizens of this city to sit next to each other in any situation or place with no exceptions at all."

 

And then people find the way to do inappropiate things while sitting in front of each other anyway. What will the governor do next? Forbid chairs? The use of limbs when in close proximity to another person?

 

Simply put, Squee is trying to avoid a problem that is unsolvabe: people are still going to make dirty imagery with the tools given. I think we have been given enough examples of that already.

[Naunet]

(NSFW) http://i.imgur.com/AB1W8HP.jpg

Cute girls.

 

It's the slightly flushed cheeks of the one on the left that make it for me.

[TheLastCandle]

(NSFW) http://i.imgur.com/AB1W8HP.jpg

Cute girls.

 

It's the slightly flushed cheeks of the one on the left that make it for me.

Ha! I didn't even notice that until you pointed it out.

[Dravus]

I can see it now. Two people doing dirty things in a restaurant, the police arriving (called by the staff or maybe by other customers) grabbing them and taking them away.

Then, the next morning, the governor declares:

 

"Because there's people doing inappropiate things in restaurants, we have decided that the best solution is to forbid citizens of this city to sit next to each other in any situation or place with no exceptions at all."

 

And then people find the way to do inappropiate things while sitting in front of each other anyway. What will the governor do next? Forbid chairs? The use of limbs when in close proximity to another person?

 

Simply put, Squee is trying to avoid a problem that is unsolvabe: people are still going to make dirty imagery with the tools given. I think we have been given enough examples of that already.

 

They're not taking anything away from us, though. They've simply announced that they have concerns regarding what the emote(s) in question would be used for...which is understandable given what they're usually used for in MMO's.

[LiadansWhisper]

I really don't think people are understanding that they might have to accept another country's cultural views.

 

This is the bottom line for many complaints about this game that people just don't get. There are cultural differences we have to learn to live with.

 

This is a global game, so no, we don't.

 

We can complain about it, but that doesn't mean that anything will change.  It also doesn't mean that anything should change.

 

The fact is that simply because something is acceptable in our culture doesn't mean it's acceptable in another culture.  While I might find it a bit silly, it's also not my culture.  I don't really have a right to judge, since such a limitation in no way harms me or anyone else around me.

[Dubs]

An in game dice rolling feature would be nice /random(1-100) etc helps facilitate a lot of RP.