The Quest for a Home (Server Vote--concluded)

[Asyria]

It would make sense in a way but it has to be the least popular for other people, not for us.

 

Also, oh great forum god, how do I change my vote if I want to?

Cause I went there and all I see is the results so far with my choice in white, while the rest is grey, as it's been before.

 

Also, I can be sacrificed if you promise it won't hurt and I can have an Angel Ring equipped (it has Reraise on it... not ReNaise! ReRaise!).

[Satisiun]

I think someone said it earlier (infact I know they did, I just can't remember who), But wouldn't it also make sense to pick the server with the lowest votes?

 

since it is the least popular?

 

That assumes that the least populated server is, by association of it being least popular with us, is also least popular with the rest of the FFXIV community.

 

A does not always mean B, basically. Wutai has a low tally, for example, but I am sure many people also presume that the community at large -- I'm not saying pre-existing guilds/linkshells/forums, but FF fans in general -- will make that a mid/high-populace server due to its FFVII affiliation.

[Kylin]

Uh...I'm getting reports that you can't change your vote. There should be little white dots to the left of the blue bars that you can select. The system must only let one change their vote if it's submitted AFTER the poll setup is changed. Long story short, anyone who voted before now may be screwed >.>

[Kylin]

Oh wait! I think I have to change forum permissions first! Dur...just a second.

[Asyria]

No one is talking about a revote at this time, just about being able to change our mind on this present vote. ^^

[Brynhilde]

Vote change option isn't showing up for me.

[Asyria]

I see the white dot options now!

[Kylin]

Should be working now.

[Noelle]

I think someone said it earlier (infact I know they did, I just can't remember who), But wouldn't it also make sense to pick the server with the lowest votes?

 

since it is the least popular?

 

That assumes that the least populated server is, by association of it being least popular with us, is also least popular with the rest of the FFXIV community.

 

A does not always mean B, basically. Wutai has a low tally, for example, but I am sure many people also presume that the community at large -- I'm not saying pre-existing guilds/linkshells/forums, but FF fans in general -- will make that a mid/high-populace server due to its FFVII affiliation.

 

I'm glad to hear that A doesn not always mean B, otherwise our alphabet would be in trouble.

But you also have to consider that we do have a vast number of people (voters), and even those who do not simply jump on the bandwagon and vote for the most popular one, vote for one they like. meaning that while it's not a garentee, on a smaller scale the votes do reflect the popularity of those servers based on names.

[Ozak Kuzak]

I see the white dots and can change my vote, so its working.

[Trizzip]

Should be working now.

 

 

It is....I just checked it out.

[Asyria]

But you also have to consider that we do have a vast number of people (voters), and even those who do not simply jump on the bandwagon and vote for the most popular one, vote for one they like. meaning that while it's not a garentee, on a smaller scale the votes do reflect the popularity of those servers based on names.

 

That's true and it makes sense but it would defeat the purpose of voting.

Since the community's choice was to vote, we have to go through with the vote, and accept the result. All we can do is vote for what you believe is the best option and hope for the best. ^^

[Verence]

Since voting seems about to reopen, I hope you'll all forgive me for an attempt at summarizing some of the views and concerns I've had reading through this thread. I'll try to be brief, I promise, but for those not keen on wall-o-text, I'll have a handy dandy summary at the bottom.

 

I see an attitude of "We're RPers! Be proud! We won't take shit from anyone!" Well, I guess that's alright, but it doesn't really jive with me. While I RP, it doesn't define who I am. I am a XIV player who RPs, not necessarily an RPer to the very core. I also read science fiction novels and enjoy the occasional movie, but I don't take pride in either of those 100% voluntary pastimes either. They're things I do, not what I am. The concept of "RPer pride" frankly confuses me and seems the first step on a path that ends in us-vs-them mentality. The line between RPer and non-RPer is not nearly so clearcut.

 

"So then why bother trying to avoid certain groups at all", you ask? Because it's something much more basic: Wanting to avoid aggressive, elitist, or immature players. "But those will be on every server!" Why yes, they probably will be. But when faced with the prospect of a known quantity of prepackaged notably outstanding bad eggs or the uncertain prospect that there will PROBABLY be others of unknown number and severity... I'm taking the chance. It's not at all cowardly or "running away" or anything so idealistic, it's wanting to spend the next several years of my game time in as friendly and comfortable an environment as possible. It's way easier to be pleasant to people when they're nice to you in return, and which LS is going where is not a 100% reliable indicator - but it is one of the few we do have.

 

This is also the case with my earlier 4chan comment - someone pointed out that they have a short attention span and likely wouldn't persist in any sort of organized group. Absolutely true. However, in my personal experience, the sort of personality that enjoys 4chan tends to be the sort of personality who revels in the anonymity of the internet and the opportunities it affords them to do whatever they please with little fear of backlash. Hence, "We are Anonymous." That sort of attitude doesn't NEED to be organized to be obnoxious, and unpleasant to share a server with. So, it becomes clear that it's not just a matter of which linkshell is going where, either.

 

It's not just a matter of obnoxious people either - a server with a very dedicated, organized, hardcore and large endgame group will probably make casual enjoyment of those elements (if they're anywhere near as competitive as XI's) that much more difficult.

 

I can sum up my views this way: Say you're hunting for a new apartment, and you have two prospects. One, you know is next to railroad tracks, and trains WILL go barreling by at 2am with their whistles blasting. The other, you're not quite sure where it is - it may be next to similar tracks, or it may not be. Why on earth would you choose the one that's guaranteed to be noisy?

 

I don't think pride or cowardice or squeamishness or anything of the like enters into the picture at all. To me, it's simply a matter of looking at what server is most likely to provide an environment free from elements that would diminish our free enjoyment of the game - both in our roleplaying, and in our forays into the challenges the game has to offer us. One of the few indicators we have of what those servers may be... is which group is going where. I don't think it's wise to completely disregard that.

[Noelle]

That's true and it makes sense but it would defeat the purpose of voting.

Since the community's choice was to vote, we have to go through with the vote, and accept the result. All we can do is vote for what you believe is the best option and hope for the best. ^^

 

So then, why can we now Re-vote?

 

D:<

 

Edit: Because I messed up my quote thingy~

[Cid_Mercer]

Eh, I'm leaving my vote as originally cast. I have no beef with the people purported to be utilizing Lindblum, it's where my friends are going, and... well... I already voted for it. I voted for it because it was my first choice. That honestly has not changed.

 

I expect that HACK will follow the RPC wherever it goes, but I, personally, like how the vote was turning out originally just fine.

[Blade]

I dunno, I hope we don't throw this vote out as mentioned, or leave it all in the hands of one person to decide. This is arguably the thing that many people have joined the forums to participate in. If we make a bad choice of selecting Lindblum then we make a bad choice, but it's still the community deciding that as a whole, and tossing that out... I dunno, would be very off-putting. I ultimately don't think that the servers are going to be as overloaded as people are thinking anyways.

 

I know no one has seriously talked about doing that but it has been mentioned, just voicing my concern.

[Kylin]

The vote will not be thrown out in any way, shape, or form. No need for worries or debate on that issue.

 

The allowance of changing one's vote is meant to be the middle ground that everyone should be content with. If Lindblum still wins, it wins fair and square. We'll just have to deal with the overpopulation problem as it comes and strive to keep the RP community united despite it.

[Soren Miren]

Now that votes can be re-cast, I don't think we have any cause to change our minds once we have our results, but thats just me.

 

I'd also like to reaffirm that Cornelia, Lindblum, Mysidia, and Figaro are aiming to be the most populous / host to various subgroups or significant gaming communities. If you do intend to vote elsewhere than your original choice, keep this in mind.

[Satisiun]

Eh' date=' I'm leaving my vote as originally cast. I have no beef with the people purported to be utilizing Lindblum, it's where my friends are going, and... well... I already voted for it. I voted for it because it was my first choice. That honestly has not changed.[/quote']

 

Same here. People I know are going there. On top of that, I voted for Lindblum before the results were unmasked and made viewable to the public here. My vote didn't change and wouldn't have changed if I'd known who voted for what either way.

 

So much of this just seems to be fearmongering going on. I'm very sorry if I cause offense to anyone, but like I said some pages back, this all seemed to start on account of Lindblum, Figaro, and one other server suddenly going down. People were running around, coming to conclusions, saying it had to be because it was popular. It had to be because the servers got filled too much, or too fast.

 

And then within 45 minutes ... oh, there is the server! And what's more, from all the accounts I've seen in this thread, and other threads, it's not even the most populace one. 2 chocobos compared to others with 3.

 

I sort of feel like this whole thing has taken a life of its own. The only thing I would've done differently was continue to keep votes hidden until the very end. But hindsight is 20/20. I can only presume Cas was trying to be the benevolent and friendly ruler by unmasking the results so early on, with people clamoring for it.

 

That and, hell, he as well as many others thought the voter turnout was huge by halfway down the first page of posts! Back when we had ... what? 60? 70 votes in all? No one could have envisioned over 40% of the site to vote. It's great and all, but again, very unexpected.

 

Anyway, rant over.

[Asyria]

@ Verence

 

Pretty interesting views in there.

I will say two things.

While it may sound like "it's not me, it's him!" argument, I must say that I only started having this us vs them view when I started experiencing major griefing as a RPer. Before that, I was just a normal person who enjoyed spicing up my gaming with some RP.

Likewise, I support this whole "RP pride" thing (don't like the name either) only in the sense that people here seem worried about griefers and jerks and that when confronted by those people, we should stand tall and strong. I do NOT advise or support this attitude in general.

I simply find it a more efficient defensive mechanism than to hide in a corner rant about them.

 

The other thing I'd like to say is that you seem to make plenty of generalizations, saying that the kind of people who go there and like this and like that, but at the same time you refuse to define yourself by what you do. Why then, define others by what they do? Kind of a contradiction there that makes me hesitant to agree with your otherwise valid points.

 

@ Soren Miren

Funny how those are the cities from some of the most popular games. I wouldn't expect anyone to pick the cities of FF II, III, or V as they weren't originally released outside of Japan (or at least not in the US).

[Soren Miren]

@ Soren Miren

Funny how those are the cities from some of the most popular games. I wouldn't expect anyone to pick the cities of FF II, III, or V as they weren't originally released outside of Japan (or at least not in the US).

 

I was actually just talking about this with some people. I'll admit that I personally still lean towards Besaid, as by the same logic its relatively 'unclaimed' and still a 1 chocobo server like the FF 2/3/5 cities, but still benefits from its modernity and recognition in the FF fanbase. Obviously there's still no way to determine these things, and in all likelihood all the servers in the initial 10 will have a fairly healthy population in the end, but I like to imagine that by virtue of its origins, Besaid may attract more players in the long-term, allowing for a healthier, above-medium population.

[falcolas]

I switched to Besaid myself. Lower population, which would help RP flourish, and there's a backing there already. Good enough reasons for me.

 

In my experience, low pop servers tend to have the best atmosphere for roleplayers. Fewer griefers, and the player density makes immersion in the world a bit easier.

[Smiling River]

Besaid FTW!

 

Linblum is obviously a bad choice because that server WILL hit it's cap, AND there are a bunch of communities that are going there PLUS everyone and their mother so...

 

Besaid is fine for now, and it has a chance to win, so please change your votes to Besaid

[Trizzip]

Kashuan ftw!!

[berdyne]

Cass you might want to kill the vote change its not changing my vote its just adding another vote for that server, its not turning off after you redo the vote.