Lore Question

[Bentii]

Hey all! I just wanted to know who I could possibly go to, in a private chat, about a lore question I have?  I was recently told to leave the server cause I was lore bending... and I happen to KNOW that I am not, but I would like confirmation about this by someone who considers themselves pretty well read in the lore.  I would actually like several people's opinion if I could... so if someone could message me that would be great! Thank you!

[Fenris]

Hey all! I just wanted to know who I could possibly go to, in a private chat, about a lore question I have?  I was recently told to leave the server cause I was lore bending... and I happen to KNOW that I am not, but I would like confirmation about this by someone who considers themselves pretty well read in the lore.  I would actually like several people's opinion if I could... so if someone could message me that would be great! Thank you!

You want opinions of several people, but still keep it private? 

What could possibly be too... well too anything to have it in an open forum, you know, like asking the question here?

[FreelanceWizard]

Wow. Being told to leave a server over a matter of lore is the height of jerk behavior. A good RPer will discuss and educate, not tell people to get lost. I'm sorry you had that experience.

 

To your question, without knowing the topic, it's hard to suggest a particular person who might be able to answer the question; there's a lot of people knowledgeable about lore here, but many have particular specialties (Merri, for instance, is a great source of Garlean lore, and Sounsyy has considerable main scenario and job quest knowledge). Might I suggest that you post your question here? Chances are, if there's a disagreement or confusion about it, many people are probably wondering the same thing, and having the discussion publicly might help many others.

[Bentii]

You know... I am mostly afraid of asking here cause the way I was shot down and told that I would be better of in another server...  I honestly felt a little pushed out, and was also told that the entire community would shun me for what I am trying to do... And honestly I feel a little put off about it...

 

 

I know the answer to this question, I just feel like I need to ask the opinon of everyone else because I don't feel like being shunned by my fellow roleplayers over something that isn't even a big deal... honestly it's not...

 

So if I could have someone willing to talk to me in private, so I can just ask without being worried about others shunning me because of this small detail in my characters bio...

 

I am a heavy RPer, so I read and researched the lore carefully... the question I have is not lore bending, goddmodding, or any other type of fault... it's an unimportant detail that I was told I had to leave the server for.

[FreelanceWizard]

I'm no expert in all parts of lore (my specialty is miqo'te lore), but feel free to toss me a PM if you want to bounce ideas.

[Ildur]

Whomever told you to leave the server deserves to be smacked in the face and be called a twat.

 

Disclosing the detail that worries you would show how the RPC community reacts to it and, therefore, give you an idea of how many people will react badly to it.

[ansemaru]

That person sounds like they were being a dick. Honestly, even if you have a misunderstanding of lore, the solution isn't to tell you to go away and give up! Rather, adapting one's ideas into something that does work with the lore so you can keep the heart of what appealed to you about the concept without the elements that run counter to the game's setting and possibly make it difficult to rp with you.

It'd be great if you could talk about it here, but I also understand if you're anxious after that experience. My inbox is always open for PMs, and if you'd rather talk in-game, you can /tell Aumeric Chassebel your woes, and I'll see that this question gets resolved without any shame or hurt feelings.

[Jomoru]

There's a large number of people who think their personal fanon is lore. so its not surprising.

[John Spiegel]

While I am a stickler for not lore bending, I have never downright ousted someone, if it was a big enough issue for me, I would point it out. Obvious abuse of the lore, robots, aliens, and all that stuff is pretty well beyond my tolerance and obviously straight up wrong.

 

That being said, Balmung is not -their- server and not everyone RPs exactly the same. There's militaristic groups, charity groups, light-hearted groups, somewhat lore-bending groups beyond my tolerance... but yeah NEVER think you should leave a server just because someone told you to.

 

That's my two gil.

[Fates Skein]

I also echo that whomever told you to leave the server was being a twit.

 

That kind of attitude is far, far poorer form than -any- lore bending or outright lore breaking.

 

We're all here creating together and in a game where official lore has a large, LARGE number of holes as well as a fair number of contradictions between in-game and out-of-game statements, I can't believe that someone would be that...militant.  Well, actually I can, cause some people are twits, but yeah.

 

I'm no lore expert at all so I won't put myself forward as that, but I will say that I'd be happy to RP with you.

[Bentii]

I want to say thank you to everyone here that has posted so far, and also to the people that have been helping me.  My suspicion has been confirmed and I now know, from what I have been messaged, that everyone agrees that it is NOT lore bending.  Though everyone has also told me that it is not common, nor accepted by elitist pricks as the person I spoke to.

 

This person told me he spoke for all of the Balmung server and fact is, everyone who has posted is from the Balmung server... and you all seem so very different than what he made you out to be... So now I find myself compelled to ask the question here on the thread.

 

So my question is this:

Is it possible to dimension hop in FF?  From what I understand all the Final Fantasy games are connected in some way, either being apart of parallel universes or other worlds/dimensions.

 

My character comes from another world (Game) and I loved her back story so much I could not force myself to erase it all and ruin the memories and development she went through to get where she was today.  So all I did was when she was being chased down by people that were trying to kill her she used a fail safe, that was supposed to teleport her to a safer place.  Unfortunately something went wrong and she ended up here in Eorzea, her subconsciousness taking over the body of a Female, Keeper of the Moon, Miqo'te that was a parallel version of herself.

 

She appeared before another Miqo'te who took her in and is now teaching her the way of life that a Keeper of the Moon lives.  There is no way, ICly that anyone would know about her being from another world, unless through intense RP and a lot of trust on her part.

 

This gives her no strength, power, or special abilities.  It is just as if she moved from one town to the next... it has no effect on the world or her acquaintances.  This is just a piece of her history.

 

Now I shall ask again, with this completely out there.  Does this deserve for me to be kicked off the server? Or be told that I was going to be shunned?  Even ignored?

[Evie]

Considering the server just had a HUGE event with Lightning dimension hoping, which will be returning in Febuary if I'm not mistaken. To me that would imply that it is in fact completely possible to infact dimension hop. How one would go about doing so I have no idea (this is my first FF game so just learning all this stuff as it is).

 

So I'd say yes Dimension hoping is reasonable, I would just be careful about the HOW of how your character got here so it doesn't seem like she is too overly powerful. But since it was some kind of magical accident, I don't see that as being a problem.

 

Your idea is pretty interesting and I don't fault you for wanting to keep your character from a previous game and bringing her into this one. I also tend to be attached to my RP characters and Evie (my character) is a "incarnation" of another Evie from another game.

 

So in conclusion, no you do not deserved to be shunned or ignored etc etc. And I agree with the other posters who've already said that this person seems to just be a giant dick.

[Bentii]

She had no intent in coming to Eorzea, her fail safe was a scroll that was created with the purpose of Teleporting the user to a safe place.  Being as she didn't make it and she got it from a questionable figure in the first place, it wasn't even her who dimensioned hopped herself.  She infact had no part in it, nor does she even come even SLIGHTLY closed to being able to produce a FRACTION of the power it would take to do so.

 

So yea my character is not doing anything wrong, and is NOT overpowered what so ever.

[MimettGreens]

Yes, there was an event where Lightning was popping up all over the place, so I'd say it's possible to dimension hop. You said it doesn't give your character any ungodly powers and such, so I honestly don't see why this person gave you such a hard time. And even if she did have abilities beyond the norm, how you choose to play a character is up to you. People can give pointers, advice and tips, but telling you to get off a server or to scrap a character isn't their call. I'm sure there are going to be times where people hate my character, but sadly it's something you always get in RP.

 

I've only just started RP'ing on this server myself, coming from WoW, and I think in NO WAY does that mean you should be 'kicked off the server'. I actually think your character sounds interesting, and whoever this person was, they were clearly being Elitist. I would honestly pay them no attention, because they definitely don't speak for the whole server. 

 

Really, don't worry at all about it, if anything, blacklist the player so then they can't harass you over it. And then come and hang out with all of us! :3

[C'kayah Polaali]

I just want to add that someone saying they speak for the whole server should be a gigantic red flag for you - not that you're doing something wrong, but that the person you're talking to isn't worth talking to.

 

I'll also add that my own personal view of lore-bending, which I think isn't uncommon, is that entertaining trumps everything else. Be a good RPer and you won't lack for people who want to RP with you, no matter what the story you're RPing is.

[Evie]

She had no intent in coming to Eorzea, her fail safe was a scroll that was created with the purpose of Teleporting the user to a safe place.  Being as she didn't make it and she got it from a questionable figure in the first place, it wasn't even her who dimensioned hopped herself.  She infact had no part in it, nor does she even come even SLIGHTLY closed to being able to produce a FRACTION of the power it would take to do so.

 

So yea my character is not doing anything wrong, and is NOT overpowered what so ever.

 

Then I see honestly no problem with it, trying to make an overpowered character is one thing, but yours is not at all (I probably should have read your entire post the first time but I got all grrr at people telling you dimension jumping isn't possible especially when we just saw evidence of it). The DEVs OF THE GAME integrated dimension jumping themselves with the Lightning event. There is no indication if this is a "special" thing. It happened she came and is coming back. To me that indicates Lore appropriateness of Dimension jumping right there.

 

Also I didn't mean to make it sound like you were trying to make an overpowered character, Sorry if it came across that way >.<.

[LandStander]

It seems fine to me. I mean FF14 is basically going to be an MMO fan service as they bring in characters from other Final Fantasy games. We have seen Lightning from 13 so far. Cloud of Darkness from FF3 will be making an appearance alongside the man who is famous for dimension hopping, Gilgamesh. Shantotto from 11 is mentioned as lore in the game (she made the BLM relic weapon, the stardust rod) and will make a cameo in game. Interesting thing, she had her own campaign in 11 where she actually dimension hopped. Then we have the Void and Atomos which are both linked to other dimensions. We have even seen the power to time skip. 

 

What I am trying to say is that your story is fine since you are just porting your character over with her memories from her previous place (funny thing is I sort of entertained the idea of having a character who came from Vanadiel in XI just for giggles >.>). As long as you aren't giving her any crazy powers like the ability to send other people to other dimensions, turn into Bahamut, etc (which I can see that you do not) then I think you are perfectly fine .

[Frederique]

Plausible, even if it's not another FF game as long as you present it well. And most of the time you don't even have to present the back story at all.

 

When a friend of mine and I moved from FFXI to WoW we actually had a story where they ended up being forced through a portal that landed them into Azeroth before Azshara went crazy. The characters, having been forced to transform to the world there, blended into the Kaldorei society.

 

No one but the two of us knew this bazaar story, and it mattered very little to the plot. I could even force that said character into FFXIV's world 'cause, well, magic! Sometimes you just love a character so much you want to play them through platforms.

 

If someone asks, you don't have to tell the whole story, just say your character is a stranger in a strange land. It leaves some mystery, makes them want to know more. I would only reveal the odd truth after you gain trust and know each other as legit RPers. It can be a great plot twist.

[Merri]

Quite simply put? Yes, "dimension hopping" is canon. While the original stance with FFXIV during 1.0 was of the mind that Eorzea, Hydaelyn, and it's universe were explicitly separate from the rest of the Final Fantasy universe, that was more or less thrown out when Yoshi-P took the reigns from Tanaka.

 

That being said, we have two cases of confirmed dimension hopping in FFXIV which have more or less been covered. One being Lightning, and the second being (Storyline spoiler, click at your own risk!)

 

Gilgamesh. The mere fact that he's showing up means dimension hopping, as every single Gilgamesh in the Final Fantasy franchise has been the same Gilgamesh. It would be going against everything Yoshi-P stands for with his vision for XIV to not have the tradition carry on, and the story we've seen in-game seems to imply that it is in fact the actual Gilgamesh who is now wandering Eorzea in search of rare weapons.

 

 

We don't know much about the Shantotto F.A.T.E yet, but I guarantee it's more dimension hopping. In fact, Vana'diel got Spriggans from XIV as a cross-over event, so I think they're trying to establish a connection between Vana'diel and Hydaelyn on some level.

 

Not everyone will agree with the idea of dimension hopping, but it's absolutely canonically plausible at this point.

[Bentii]

Thank you all!  I am so happy that I am here with such an amazing community! I am glad to know I won't be denied RP because of this!  You are all an amazing group of people and I look forward to future Role Play with you all!

[Fulcrum]

Yeah, they're showing a lot of dimension hopping in XIV, more than in any other FF game, mixing both canon dimension hoppers with new ones.

 

Lightning was the first dimension hopper to show up, and her Fates explained it.

 

She has the ability to move between the FF worlds due to the patronage of the Gods Etro and Bhunivelze - I'm not clear on which, cus I need to play XIII-2 and Lightning Returns. From what I understand, she could technically go to any of the FF worlds, but it was just easier, more fun, and more profitable to use XIV to show this. There's one other character in the FF universe with this ability that we'll revisit after the next paragraph.

 

The quests tied to her fates imply she was sent here to test out her resolve and to show her what would happen if she didn't pick up the mantle that Bhunivelze was offering, as near as I could tell. Chaos was bleeding into Hydaelyn, and it was stated that this wasn't the only world it was going to happen to - it seemed that it would happen to every other FF world if she didn't find the will to fight again. So there could be even more dimensional cross overs from just that vein alone!

 

 

The other special case character was recently revealed recently as well.

 

Prior to Lightning getting the ability to dimension hop, Gilgamesh was the only character to do it canonically. As Merri mentioned, every Gilgamesh is the same character in every FF, so dimension hopping is NOT new.

 

 

I'd like more info about the Shantotto F.A.T.E before commenting on it. For a long time, there were people claiming that Hydaelyn was just Vana'diel in the future, even though we know it's not, so I'm leery of the damn thing and the fan bois it might create.

 

Basically, as mentioned, if you do it with class and style, without making your character overpowered and super special snowflake/Lightning clone - you're fine! There's lore to back up that dimensional rifts open in Hydaelyn, twisting that to fit with your character is an option, just like any other lore in the world. =D

[Kieron Lohengrin]

Looking forward to the ingame promotional crossover for KH3!