Titan HM

[Elisea Renyven]

If anyone is needing Titan, Thursday this week around 7pm cst we'll be running some Titan Hms and possibly other things. We'll leave a spot or two open each run to help folks get their relics, etc. If you are interested, feel free to pm me, hit me up in game, or drop a line here and we'll try to get you on the list.

 

Hope to hear from some of you.

 

Eli

[Aldotsk]

Can't make it for Thursday night, but I'd like to request for spot for my MNK/WHM/PLD relic quests in the future!

[Elisea Renyven]

Sure. We'll be trying to do some of these when we can to help others.

[Aldotsk]

Good news. I can actually do Thursday that time for the Titan and Garuda if possible. Ifrit shouldn't be trouble for me.

[Elisea Renyven]

Sure thing!

[Nebbs]

With relics for classes still to go I'm happy to help as well as win  

 

Can I check which timezone? I'm in UK and if US times this would normally be fine for me but not this Thursday unfortunately.

[Kage]

I'm pretty jealous. This sounds really awesome of you! I only dipped my feet into Titan HM last night on my BLM with my FC LS and he ate me alive after heart phase. Still trying to learn that rotation.

[Elisea Renyven]

Once you get Titan's rythym down it isn't too bad. And we'll try to do another one of these in the future on a different day. I'm kind of on a schedule that changes week to week, so I just have to schedule these when I can. Also I think its like 1am UK time if I remember right I might try to do one on a Saturday in the future though. 7pm CST -- my bad I forgot to put the timezone down.

[Kage]

I kept running into either bombs or not out of the plumes in time but from what I see (as BLM) if I see a landslide or tumult being done I should be prepped for running. I don't use sprint very often but I'm trying to get in the character.

 

My mates told me to stop worrying about my performance but I can't help it since I died every single attempt until about 30 min were left and we called it quits so my mates could do some Garuda Ex runs.

 

I might be very interested but I feel bad  and I actually spent all my philo tomes on DL pants so I can't get my relic yet anyway.

[synaesthetic]

ExKage, I main BLM, so I'll tell you a little bit about how to BLM in Titan HM.

Some helpful tips:

 

Use Sprint. There's absolutely no reason not to. Your job doesn't use TP, so feel free to burn Sprint whenever you need to get there faster.

 

Landslide is a physical damage ability. This means that if you have Manawall up, Landslide will deal no damage and will not knock you back. As Manawall has virtually no other use in this fight, just cast it on cooldown and use it to eat Landslides whenever you want to stay safer or just stay still and do more damage.

 

The safest spot in the world during Titan (HM or EX) is right on his ass. Trying to maintain range in this fight actually makes it harder on you.

 

Try not to hang out too far from the healers, so you'll be hit by Medica/Succor during stomps. Tumult is elemental earth damage, so Manaward will protect you from it if you need a bit of a buffer. Remember that all defensive abilities take 2-3 seconds to fully apply to your character, so make sure to precast Manaward before you think you're going to need it. The duration is short, so don't precast too soon.

 

In Phase 5 especially, stack for Weight of the Land. If your group stacks for weight, it becomes impossible to accidentally kill your party members by spawning weight underneath them. When running out of the stack of weight, cast an instant-cast spell to force the server to update your position (throwing Scathe on Titan is a good way to do this). This makes even more sense when you realize that during Phase 5, Titan will always stomp before casting weight, so moving to the center to get Medica spam is something you'll be doing anyway. Stack tightly and your WHM can even use Cure III effectively.

 

Memorize Titan's rotation or write it down on a sticky note and stick it to your monitor. This will help you more than anything else, when you know what's coming and when to expect it. Titan, like most of the Primals, has a very scripted set of abilities that he never really deviates from. The only random element of Titan HM is in which players are targeted for Weight of the Land and Granite Gaol.

 

Send me a whisper or a PM in-game (Aeriyn Ashley) and I'll help you out.

[LiadansWhisper]

In Phase 5 especially, stack for Weight of the Land. If your group stacks for weight, it becomes impossible to accidentally kill your party members by spawning weight underneath them. When running out of the stack of weight, cast an instant-cast spell to force the server to update your position (throwing Scathe on Titan is a good way to do this). This makes even more sense when you realize that during Phase 5, Titan will always stomp before casting weight, so moving to the center to get Medica spam is something you'll be doing anyway. Stack tightly and your WHM can even use Cure III effectively.

 

I disagree with this.  The reason is that if anyone - anyone at all - is slow at getting out of that stack pile, they're dead.  There's no way around it - they're just dead.

 

Whereas if someone takes 1-2 Weights, they can survive it (assuming they're geared for the encounter and the healers aren't slacking and not topping people off).

 

I've done...more Titan HM runs than I can count at this point, but the scatter method just seems to end up with more people alive.  I've tried stacking, and we always lose at least one person who didn't move fast enough for whatever reason (even trying to force the server to update their position).

 

Everything else is spot-on, although as a healer I don't think I would ever be okay with someone encouraging to use Manawall as an excuse not to move. I'd rather you use it as insurance, and move anyway. There's always going to be that one time when you took a tick of damage just before the landslide, and boom, you go over the side.

[Jana]

The way I've seen it handled is for ranged players to not exactly stack, but line up behind Titan. That way you're still clear on either side when Weights happen, and if you're too slow you only eat 1. There doesn't seem to be much danger of being out of range for any AoE heals besides Cure III.

[111]

Just for the record, in titan extreme mode you *have* to stack, and it's very rare that people die to the stacks. I would suggest that you forces yourself to stack and learn how to make sure you are clear. It might cause some deaths at first, but once people get a hang of it, it will be second nature.

[synaesthetic]

I disagree with this.  The reason is that if anyone - anyone at all - is slow at getting out of that stack pile, they're dead.  There's no way around it - they're just dead.

 

Whereas if someone takes 1-2 Weights, they can survive it (assuming they're geared for the encounter and the healers aren't slacking and not topping people off).

 

I've done...more Titan HM runs than I can count at this point, but the scatter method just seems to end up with more people alive.  I've tried stacking, and we always lose at least one person who didn't move fast enough for whatever reason (even trying to force the server to update their position).

 

Everything else is spot-on, although as a healer I don't think I would ever be okay with someone encouraging to use Manawall as an excuse not to move.  I'd rather you use it as insurance, and move anyway.  There's always going to be that one time when you took a tick of damage just before the landslide, and boom, you go over the side.

 

Stacking vs individual dodging is one of those things where you either rely on individual skill or group coordination. The main reason I advocate for stacking is because it's good training for Titan EX: you have no choice but to stack for him. If you scatter, you're going to be knocked off by Upheval, or be out of healing range for stomps, which CAN kill you in EX without healing during the stomps.

 

wrt Manawall and Landslides, the only physical damage Titan does consists of punching the tank and Landslide. Everything else is elemental damage. I understand erring on the side of caution, but again this is something I consider Titan EX training. BLM DPS on EX is awful due to how often you have to move, so if you can get used to using Manawall to eat Landslides and keep DPS up on Titan HM, it'll help you immensely when fighting Titan EX later.

[LiadansWhisper]

Just for the record, in titan extreme mode you *have* to stack, and it's very rare that people die to the stacks. I would suggest that you forces yourself to stack and learn how to make sure you are clear. It might cause some deaths at first, but once people get a hang of it, it will be second nature.

 

I'm aware of this, but we're talking about HM, not Ex.  There are many players who are simply trying to get their relics and be done with it.  A lot of people aren't trying the extremes, and won't for some time.  The population of people who play an MMO for endgame raiding like Titan Extreme is very, very small.  I'm simply saying that when you're going to Titan HM with people who are inexperienced and/or slow (these are not raiders we're talking about here), or on glitchy connections, stacking up behind the boss when it's not necessary is probably going to end in deaths.

 

Now, you can do it however you want to do it, because it's your raid, your choice, etc.  But it's not something I recommend for people who are primarily concerned with getting their Relic and nothing more.  The emphasis is putting the least amount of time into the fight that you have to.  Spending hours on the fight because you choose to stack instead of scatter, and one person just can't get out in time seems more trouble than it's worth.

[Kage]

I'm actually fine with the stacking part but I did really eat it because of the stack during phase 5 and... well yeah ate it.

 

I'll have to get used to Manawall and manaward but I'm always worried that if i was late with the strafe that the manawall would be too late and I'd go flying.

[LiadansWhisper]

I'm actually fine with the stacking part but I did really eat it because of the stack during phase 5 and... well yeah ate it.

 

I'll have to get used to Manawall and manaward but I'm always worried that if i was late with the strafe that the manawall would be too late and I'd go flying.

 

You'll need to have it up before the cast starts, so if you're going to use it in that manner, make sure to use it on CD.  If you put it up after the cast starts, a lot of the time the server doesn't recognize it for whatever attack is coming, but the one -after- that.

[Kage]

You'll need to have it up before the cast starts, so if you're going to use it in that manner, make sure to use it on CD.  If you put it up after the cast starts, a lot of the time the server doesn't recognize it for whatever attack is coming, but the one -after- that.

I see so having the rotations memorized would be a must in order for this to work well. Could you explain what "CD" means? I've seen it used sometimes in other guides but I don't know what it means. I assume cooldown but I don't know why since cooldown (in my experience) meant it had to cooldown before use.

[synaesthetic]

To use something on cooldown is a phrase that simply means to use it every time it becomes available. During Titan HM/EX, as a black mage, I will burn Manawall every time it comes up simply because it has a long duration (60 seconds) and can let me eat a Landslide if I want to do more damage or if I lag and don't get out in time, or if I get trapped in a bad spot by bombs during Phase 5.

[LiadansWhisper]

To use something on cooldown is a phrase that simply means to use it every time it becomes available. During Titan HM/EX, as a black mage, I will burn Manawall every time it comes up simply because it has a long duration (60 seconds) and can let me eat a Landslide if I want to do more damage or if I lag and don't get out in time, or if I get trapped in a bad spot by bombs during Phase 5.

 

^^  What she said!

[synaesthetic]

Yes, and I do agree that if you and members of your group have poor connections, the stacking method for weight is not optimal. If you mess up, you get hit by 3+ and will not survive.

 

When my company was first learning Titan HM, we scattered, and while this usually worked out, sometimes you'd end up trapping a healer. It adds more RNG to the fight, which I didn't personally like and I prefer the stacking method myself, however my internet connection is fantabulous and I very rarely lag except on Mondays, after the reset, when everyone is doing everything all at once.

[LiadansWhisper]

Yes, and I do agree that if you and members of your group have poor connections, the stacking method for weight is not optimal. If you mess up, you get hit by 3+ and will not survive.

 

When my company was first learning Titan HM, we scattered, and while this usually worked out, sometimes you'd end up trapping a healer. It adds more RNG to the fight, which I didn't personally like and I prefer the stacking method myself, however my internet connection is fantabulous and I very rarely lag except on Mondays, after the reset, when everyone is doing everything all at once.

 

I personally don't have lag issues anywhere but in Coil, and it's only on the ADS trash laser fight.  Any deaths I have had were 100% my fault, because my connection seems to actually get stronger inside the dungeons.

 

But other people have lag, and I'm one of those people who really don't enjoy 20+ wipes to things.  Which, come to think of it, makes me a bit of a masochist for doing hardcore raiding in WoW. :dazed:  400 wipes on some bosses!  :cactuar:

[synaesthetic]

My guild in vanilla wiped on Vael for three months. Four raids a week, three hours each, and we'd routinely go over raid time.

 

We did it again for two months with Four Horsemen in Naxxramas.

[Kage]

To use something on cooldown is a phrase that simply means to use it every time it becomes available. During Titan HM/EX, as a black mage, I will burn Manawall every time it comes up simply because it has a long duration (60 seconds) and can let me eat a Landslide if I want to do more damage or if I lag and don't get out in time, or if I get trapped in a bad spot by bombs during Phase 5.

On that note, when do you pop Manaward? Same thing or much better with the rotation memorized for tumult?

[synaesthetic]

I use Manaward when I know I'm going to take a big magic hit, but won't be able to necessarily get healing. So I tend to save it for emergencies.